Wonderful that Our Lady may have at least a portion of her Dowry returned to her!
Posted on 10/27/2009 6:46:41 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
GGG is Saint Peter? I always kind of suspected...
***The nice thing about the FR religion forum is that it lets you know what the Cavinists and Pentecostals that you meet in everyday life actually think of you.***
There are some gentlemen that belong to each of these groups; I don’t believe that the majority of them are accurately represented by some of the posters here.
***I remain convinced (and/or hopeful) that the true proportion of rabid Catholic-hating freaks among protestants is vanishingly small.***
Generally, I’d have to agree with you.
Roger on that. Most doctors of philosophy (PhD’s) have no foundation in philosophy, so they do not know where one science ends and another begins. They also generally do not know how the scientific method is constituted, thinking all truth is arrived at by demonstration and experiment, while not being aware that the foundation of every science rests upon intuition.
The training of most Ph.D scientists is woefully inadequate. For example, they never teach anything about quote mining, which is an essential tool for doing science.
BUT, condoms reduce the risk immensely, and will greatly decrease infection rates.....and in places like some of these countries in Africa that have atrocious HIV infection rates of 30% of the population, condom use WILL save lives.
According to your liked study, condom use lowered infection risk from 80% to 1+%.....not perfect, but better than teaching "Have no sex and no use of condoms" has EVER worked.
So teaching condom use as opposed to abstinence is good because.......?
....BECAUSE, afterall, humans are still animals and humans WILL have sex despite the teaching of the ideal of abstinence only. The world is not going to take up the celibate lives of those Catholic priests that actually DO lead celibate lives (I'll ignore the perverts for now). In addition, your own reported study was of married adults. You think married adults are not going to have sex? You think married adults in Africa are not going to have sex? Not going to procreate?
Abstinence-only is a religious ideal that even those pushing the religion can not and do not abide by and will always be an ideal that will never be met, not even close...not even remotely close...and that's what's being taught to Africans by the Catholic church right now...by the same catholic church that tells them they cannot wear condoms....bang up job it's doing.
...but who cares about a few million Africans per year anyway....screw 'em, we have an ideal to push....right?
It’s why you never hear about Uganda... lowest infection rate in Africa. 50% abstinence, 50% condoms.
You are probably right.
>>”Have no sex and no use of condoms” has EVER worked.<<
Um, the only way to avoid sexually transmitted diseases is by not having sex.
So we rely on an imperfect way of avoiding AIDS then when a condom breaks or slips, OH WELL. Sorry, you lose the lotto. Keep using those condoms and risk it.
Yup, that’s gonna work. Couple that with the African pleasure for Dry Sex and you’ve got problems that throwing condoms at isn’t going to solve.
>>...but who cares about a few million Africans per year anyway....screw ‘em, we have an ideal to push....right?<<
Thank you Maureen Dowd.
As a practicing Catholic, I find I have much more in common with GGG than any of these lost-boy stragglers that crowd his threads.
The fact that Dawkins singles out the Catholic church as a worthy target should give any Bible believing Christian pause. Not because Catholics themselves are any holier than their separated brethren, but because the Church is a font of grace and a source of moral and theological certitude in stormy times. That is, the Church is singled out, not because of its human assets, but because it is the chosen instrument of the Holy Spirit.
The reunion of the Church of England with the Church of Peter is a very exciting prospect. The Faith of the English was always most true and intellectually complete. The Separation of the Church of England by King Henry VIII was one of the most tragic events in salvation history; all because he did not trust God to provide him a male heir. Imagine the eager anticipation of those many souls who stood their ground, and who were drawn and quartered for their Faith, at what the Holy Spirit is about to accomplish? Soon Dawkins will have the Anglican grafted branch of the Catholic Church to contend with.
Handel, Lewis, and Chesterton would not have it any other way.
WOW!
Several reports show that the decline in AIDS prevalence in Uganda was due to monogamy and abstinence and not to condoms. According to Dr. Edward Green, an anthropologist at Harvard University and an expert on Uganda’s AIDS programs, fidelity to one’s partner was the most important factor in Uganda’s success, followed by abstinence.[5]A 2004 Science study concluded that abstinence among young people and monogamy, rather than condom use, contributed to the decline of AIDS in Uganda.[6] However, a study conducted in Rakai, a region in southern Uganda, shows that abstinence and fidelity rates have been declining during 1995-2002, but without the expected rise in HIV/AIDS rates, suggesting a greater role for condoms.[7]
That offer has been on the table for some time. We get the faithful Anglicans; they get the crazy 'sisters', the pro-aborts, the Liberation Theologians and a heretic to be named later.
They won't bite. We wish they would.
Wonderful that Our Lady may have at least a portion of her Dowry returned to her!
I say it was the "indigenous peoples" who were the "nativists!"
THAT is a hoot! Trust the Anglicans to be fluent in LOL-speak!
Gotta love Dawkins’ backhanded compliments of the Anglican faith in his vicious little screed against the Catholic Church.
Mao killed about 70 million.
As your c/p states: However, a study conducted in Rakai, a region in southern Uganda, shows that abstinence and fidelity rates have been declining during 1995-2002, but without the expected rise in HIV/AIDS rates, suggesting a greater role for condoms.
I'm not saying that teaching abstinence is a bad thing, just that it will not work for everyone, not even Catholics or their priests. As with just about everything, a multi-pronged approach, while it might now jibe well with the church, is the best approach from a public health point of view.
I AM saying that purposely lying about condoms is an atrocious behavior on the part of the Church, from your own data presented, every time one uses a condom, their possibility of infection goes from 80% to 1+%.....almost as bad as pushing the ludicrous notion that HIV does not cause AIDS.
You're so wrong on this. The African nations which teach abstinence have the lowest rate of HIV. It's indisputable.
But seriously, ignore the Church on this. If you're happy with the increasing rate of HIV in nations that promote condom use, I'll be happy with the massive decrease in nations that promote abstinence.
In the end, the determinant of right and wrong on this issue is found by looking at the scoreboard of "dead people", not "quality of sex life". And so far, teaching abstinence has been proven right.
SOOOO easy to say “you’re wrong”....well I learned differently at the Harvard AIDS Institute.
The best approach from the non-religiously driven public health perspective is to teach EVERYTHING and allow ALL preventative measures because different approaches will work with different people. There is no cure-all.
This is like having the one-way mentality with malaria. Use DDT OR use mosquito nets.......how about use both and save 5 million per year? Nawwwwww....everything’s gotta be polar. A or B.
Meanwhile, people die while the arguments fly.
You can teach abstinence-only to a population and a percentage will abide by it.....a percentage will not.
Your method would purposely toss that percentage that does not into their graves, so spare me the “hey, if you want more people to die” nonsense.
I’m in the business of saving lives by all means, not caring about your religious sensibility or morality-rules.
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