[DocRock]

I also remember the Saturn launches as a child. I didn't have to travel to the coast to get an ‘eye full’. You could see those through haze half way across the state. I have been telling my kids for years that when they see those vids of the Saturn rockets, notice all the ice that cascades off the skin. Now why would an engineer put a payload on the side of super cold fuel like we do with the shuttle. Put the payload back on top and let the ice fall.

[Jet Jaguar]

maybe in 40-50 minutes. from audio.