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To: Puppage
First of all what was the context of our discussion? You responded in post #238 to this line from me in post #222: Now, for those who defend Beck's beliefs....

The entire context for us discussing this was Beck's beliefs, not what's in every past Fox transcript of his. If you want to take the discussion to what he does ONLY before a Fox microphone, sure we can discuss that. But keep in mind then you're changing the focus of discussion -- and therefore, you're at best only addressing what I said in post #222 in a smaller slice of Mr. Beck's life -- what he does before a mike in a studio.

But, here's the example you wanted, anyway: Beck, who first cited Skousen in his 2003 book The Real America: Messages from the Heart and the Heartland, later started pitching Skousen’s 1981 book The 5,000 Year Leap on air in December, 2008.

I am NOT defending them, I could care LESS about them. All I am saying is that they don't matter one way or the other when commenting on the issues of the day. If he starts espousing his religious views into those very same issues...

Well, first of all, Beck's commenting on "the issues of the day" doesn't only happen in a Fox studio. (Obviously, Beck would consider "religious issues" to be under the same broad umbrella as "issues of the day" -- and he addressed those religious & personal issues before 7,000 in that DVD).

A second way Beck "comments on the issues of the day" doesn't involve a microphone at all. (His writings)

Note the full graph from Brooks' article at ReligionDispatch.org: Before 1999, Glenn Beck told jokes and pulled on-air stunts for a living. He developed the content of his current conservative messaging (an amalgation of anti-communism, United States-founder worship, and connect-the-dots conspiracy theorizing) after his entree into the deeply insular world of Mormon thought and culture. A significant figure in this world is the late Cleon Skousen (1913–2006), the archconservative and fiercely anti-communist Brigham Young University professor, founder of the Freeman Society, and author of 15 books, including The Naked Capitalist, The Making of America, and Prophecy and Modern Times. Beck, who first cited Skousen in his 2003 book The Real America: Messages from the Heart and the Heartland, later started pitching Skousen’s 1981 book The 5,000 Year Leap on air in December, 2008. He wrote a preface for a new edition of the book issued a few months later and in his March 2009 kick-off of the 9/12 movement declared Skousen’s book to be “divinely inspired.”

Now what does Cleon Skousen believe?

Skousen excerpt: Through modern revelation we learn that the universe is filled with vast numbers of intelligence's, and we further learn that Elohim is God simply because all of these intelligence's honor and sustain Him as such...since God 'acquired' the honor and sustaining influence of 'all things' it follows as a corollary that if He should ever do anything to violate the confidence or 'sense of justice' of these intelligences, they would promptly withdraw their support, and the 'power' of God would disintegrate...'He would cease to be God'“ (The First 2,000 Years, pp. 355-356).

Beck & Skousen represent the Mormon belief, thereby, that God was once a man and "acquired" godhood; and that, you can do that, too.

Also, does Beck believe Skousen's "pro-family" view on parenthood? (That parenthood = godhood???)

Mortality made it possible for us to be endowed with the powers of procreation for the first time…The divine power of procreation is described by the Lord as being a fundamental quality of Godhood. In fact, eternal parenthood is Godhood” (The First 2000 Years, pp. 39-40).

To unpack Skousen, what's he saying here?
Perhaps you've seen the Lds bumper sticker, "Families are forever." (Lds get that from Joseph Smith's Doctrine & Covenants D&C 132 re: "eternal marriage.")
Well Skousen used the same section --vv. 19-20 to teach eternal parenthood. (The thing is those verses also teach polygamy)
What did Skousen mean by his reference to "mortality" and "procreation for the first time"? Lds believe that by Adam & Eve sinning, it wasn't simply a "fall" -- it was a "fall upward" -- an event to be "celebrated." (see quote below) Why? Because they believe this was the only way they could become "mortal" (by sinning). And, hence, by becoming "mortal" they could then rise to godhood. (They get this in part from the Book of Mormon -- a phrase that reads, "Adam fell that men might be..." [it doesn't say be what...Mormons fill in the blank on that] Anyway, Skousen didn't believe that God made Eve able to reproduce until she fell; that falling was a good thing; otherwise, parenthood would not have been (per Mormonism); and potential godhood for them would not have been as well.

In this way, Mormons have the absolute wacky understanding that the world's evils were something the Mormon god wanted man to do!

The Lds church in one of its priesthood manuals calls the Fall a "Great Blessing" while one of its general authorities, "apostle" Dallin Oaks, wrote: "Some Christians condemn Eve for her act, concluding that she and her daughters are somehow flawed by it. Not the Latter-day Saints! Informed by revelation, we celebrate Eve's act and honor her with wisdom and courage in the great episode called the Fall." ("The Choice that Began Mortality" Liahona, 2002)

277 posted on 10/26/2009 11:22:36 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Let's stop the arguing. Here's the jist if my post which almost everybody missed. How could Glenn who has researched so much of our countries past also then believe this? I doubt that anyone bothered to watch the whole thing, but this is why I asked the question. It seems a sensible question, and I like Beck. If some view this as tearing Beck down then they must be in agreement that no reasonable person could watch that video which is based on fact and evidence could believe it? Did someone answer this for me yet?
280 posted on 10/26/2009 11:28:20 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Colofornian
The entire context for us discussing this was Beck's beliefs

Mine has always been "how do his beliefs impugn his news commentary". Nothing less, nothing more.

I have asked that from the very start.

304 posted on 10/26/2009 12:52:05 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Colofornian
Perhaps you've seen the Lds bumper sticker, "Families are forever." (Lds get that from Joseph Smith's Doctrine & Covenants D&C 132 re: "eternal marriage.")

HOW?

They do not PRACTICE what 'god' said in D&C 132 and even go so far as to EXCOMMUNICATE those who DO!

428 posted on 10/26/2009 5:58:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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