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Swine Flu Cases Overestimated?
CBS ^ | Oct. 21, 2009 | Sharyl Attkisson

Posted on 10/24/2009 5:24:43 PM PDT by opentalk

(CBS) If you've been diagnosed "probable" or "presumed" 2009 H1N1 or "swine flu" in recent months, you may be surprised to know this: odds are you didn’t have H1N1 flu.

In fact, you probably didn’t have flu at all. That's according to state-by-state test results obtained in a three-month-long CBS News investigation.

The ramifications of this finding are important. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Britain's National Health Service, once you have H1N1 flu, you're immune from future outbreaks of the same virus. Those who think they've had H1N1 flu -- but haven't -- might mistakenly presume they're immune. As a result, they might skip taking a vaccine that could help them, and expose themselves to others with H1N1 flu under the mistaken belief they won't catch it. Parents might not keep sick children home from school, mistakenly believing they've already had H1N1 flu.

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KEYWORDS: bhocdc; cases; flu; h1n1; influenza; overestimated; swineflu
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1 posted on 10/24/2009 5:24:43 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Yes!


2 posted on 10/24/2009 5:27:05 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: opentalk

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) states on their main flu Web site http://www.cdc.gov/flu/ that flu activity is increasing in the United States, with most states reporting “widespread influenza activity.”

The CDC goes on to say, and I quote:

“So far, most flu is 2009 H1N1 flu (sometimes called “swine flu”).”

But wait stop the presses.

A three-month-long investigation by CBS News, released earlier this week that included state-by-state test results, revealed some very different facts. The CBS study found that H1N1 flu cases are NOT as prevalent as feared. A CBS article even states:

“If you’ve been diagnosed “probable” or “presumed” 2009 H1N1 or “swine flu” in recent months, you may be surprised to know this: odds are you didn’t have H1N1 flu. In fact, you probably didn’t have flu at all.“

Obviously CBS News and the CDC are completely contradicting each other. So who is right?


3 posted on 10/24/2009 5:27:13 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk
odds are you didn’t have H1N1 flu.

Somebody tell the Clueless In Chief.

4 posted on 10/24/2009 5:28:18 PM PDT by BenLurkin (Brave amateurs....they do their part.)
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To: opentalk

“National Emergency” Rather curious


5 posted on 10/24/2009 5:28:36 PM PDT by exnavy (GOD save the republic)
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To: opentalk
The CBS story omitted one important detail--that the H1N1 (formerly known as Mexican Swine) Flu swab test is notoriously inaccurate with false negative results. I posted this in another thread earlier today:

Here is the scenario:

1. The swine flu swab test is considered less than 50% accurate (mostly false negatives);

2. CDC via local health departments ordered a halt to routine testing for swine flu due to #1;

3. CDC via local health departments ordered that all suspected flu be considered swine flu;

4. The CDC developed a new diagnosis code for this swine flu.

In summary, all presumed flu is currently categorized as swine flu in spite of no laboratory confirmation. Viola!

6 posted on 10/24/2009 5:32:17 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Obama: A day without TOTUS is like a day without sunshine)
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To: opentalk

Bump. It’s a sad when CBS seems to be one of the few asking the basic important questions.


7 posted on 10/24/2009 5:32:41 PM PDT by allmost
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To: opentalk

This is a problem, believe the MSM or the government....what a conundrum.


8 posted on 10/24/2009 5:33:24 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: opentalk

Be sure to read the last sentence, very telling.

Here is something I wrote in August.  Weird!  I was correct, somewhat.  There are only 11 million doses available as of October 24 -2009

 

Hey moron POTUS. By October there will only be 42 million doses available, which will be distributed by medical professionals to those with underlying medical conditions (diabetes, etc) which make them more at risk.

To go on national TV and scare the masses when there will not be enough vaccine to vaccinate more than 15% of the population by October is irresponsible. IF H1N1 hits in early fall he is making the problem worse, not better.

I seriously think this guy’s ego is so big he has to see himself on TV all the time. He doesn’t care what he talks about as long as he is the center of attention.

Ten Things You're Not Supposed to Know about the Swine Flu Vaccine

by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor

(NaturalNews) She was deathly afraid of the flu.
So she asked her doc what she should do.
He jabbed her unseen
With a swine flu vaccine
Blurting, "Darling, I haven't a clue."

- by the Health Ranger

Let's not beat around the bush on this issue: The swine flu vaccines now being prepared for mass injection into infants, children, teens and adults have never been tested and won't be tested before the injections begin. In Europe, where flu vaccines are typically tested on hundreds (or thousands) of people before being unleashed on the masses, the European Medicines Agency is allowing companies to skip the testing process entirely.

And yet, amazingly, people are lining up to take the vaccine, absent any safety testing whatsoever. When the National Institutes of Health in the U.S. announced a swine flu vaccine trial beginning in early August, it was inundated with phone calls and emails from people desperate to play the role of human guinea pigs. The power of fear to herd sheeple into vaccine injections is simply amazing...

Back in Europe, of course, everybody gets to be a guinea pig since no testing will be done on the vaccine at all. Even worse, the European vaccines will be using adjuvants -- chemicals used to multiply the potency of the active ingredients in vaccines.

Notably, there is absolutely no safety data on the use of adjuvants in infants and expectant mothers -- the two groups being most aggressively targeted by the swine flu vaccine pushers. The leads us to the disturbing conclusion that the swine flu vaccine could be a modern medical disaster. It's untested and un-tried. Its ingredients are potentially quite dangerous, and the adjuvants being used in the European vaccines are suspected of causing neurological disorders.

Paralyzed by vaccines

I probably don't need to remind you that in 1976, a failed swine flu vaccine caused irreparable damage to the nervous systems of hundreds of people, paralyzing many. Medical doctors gave the problem a name, of course, to make it sound like they knew what they were talking about: Guillain-Barre syndrome. (Notably, they never called it "Toxic Vaccine Syndrome" because that would be too informative.)

But the fact remains that doctors never knew how the vaccines caused these severe problems, and if the same event played out today, all the doctors and vaccine pushers would undoubtedly deny any link between the vaccines and paralysis altogether. (That's what's happening today with the debate over vaccines and autism: Complete denial.)

In fact, there are a whole lot of things you'll never be told by health authorities about the upcoming swine flu vaccine. For your amusement, I've written down the ten most obvious ones and published them below.

Ten things you're not supposed to know about the swine flu vaccine

(At least, not by anyone in authority...)

#1 - The vaccine production was "rushed" and the vaccine has never been tested on humans. Do you like to play guinea pig for Big Pharma? If so, line up for your swine flu vaccine this fall...

#2 - Swine flu vaccines contain dangerous adjuvants that cause an inflammatory response in the body. This is why they are suspected of causing autism and other neurological disorders.

#3 - The swine flu vaccine could actually increase your risk of death from swine flu by altering (or suppressing) your immune system response. There is zero evidence that even seasonal flu shots offer any meaningful protection for people who take the jabs. Vaccines are the snake oil of modern medicine.

#4 - Doctors still don't know why the 1976 swine flu vaccines paralyzed so many people. And that means they really have no clue whether the upcoming vaccine might cause the same devastating side effects. (And they're not testing it, either...)

#5 - Even if the swine flu vaccine kills you, the drug companies aren't responsible. The U.S. government has granted drug companies complete immunity against vaccine product liability. Thanks to that blanket immunity, drug companies have no incentive to make safe vaccines, because they only get paid based on quantity, not safety (zero liability).

#6 - No swine flu vaccine works as well as vitamin D to protect you from influenza. That's an inconvenient scientific fact that the U.S. government, the FDA and Big Pharma hope the people never realize.

#7 - Even if the swine flu vaccine actually works, mathematically speaking if everyone else around you gets the vaccine, you don't need one! (Because it can't spread through the population you hang with.) So even if you believe in the vaccine, all you need to do is encourage your friends to go get vaccinated...

#8 - Drug companies are making billions of dollars from the production of swine flu vaccines. That money comes out of your pocket -- even if you don't get the jab -- because it's all paid by the taxpayers.

#9 - When people start dying in larger numbers from the swine flu, rest assured that many of them will be the very people who got the swine flu vaccine. Doctors will explain this away with their typical Big Pharma logic: "The number saved is far greater than the number lost." Of course, the number "saved" is entirely fictional... imaginary... and exists only in their own warped heads.

#10 - The swine flu vaccine centers that will crop up all over the world in the coming months aren't completely useless: They will provide an easy way to identify large groups of really stupid people. (Too bad there isn't some sort of blue dye that we could tag 'em with for future reference...)

The lottery, they say, is a tax on people who can't do math. Similarly, flu vaccines are a tax on people who don't understand health.

 

Makers Of Vaccination Refuse To Take H1N1

Even scientists who helped develop the vaccine say THEY ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT AND URGE THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILY NOT TO TAKE IT EITHER, says Wayne Madsen, an investigative journalist and RT contributor.

Meanwhile, it has been reported that vets have found traces of the swine flu virus in birds. It was detected in turkeys at farms in Chile.

So far swine flu has proved to be very contagious, but not more deadly than the common flu.
However, scientists fear it may combine with avian flu, which is currently very dangerous but hard to pass on.    
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4SmFxyust0

 

Iowa Department of Public Health Medical Director Patricia Quinlisk told WND it was doubly unlikely the state would use the form, since the swine flu has proven less dangerous than earlier estimates.

"I don't anticipate using [the form] for H1N1, since it's been shown to be a very mild disease," Quinslick said. "We found this spring it's not as serious as feared."

 

 

 


9 posted on 10/24/2009 5:35:19 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: NautiNurse

I understand the CDC did this back in July!


10 posted on 10/24/2009 5:37:16 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: allmost

Ruh roh!

CBS must be a tool of the Republican Party by reporting these “facts”. Rahm warned the others. What will the tyrant(s) do now?


11 posted on 10/24/2009 5:37:18 PM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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I guess they get to sit in the dunce chair next time dear leader holds a press conference.


12 posted on 10/24/2009 5:42:14 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Red_Devil 232

The CBS story reports the CDC directed a halt to the swab test in late July. They omit discussing inaccuracy of the test as the reason for halting it.


13 posted on 10/24/2009 5:43:59 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Obama: A day without TOTUS is like a day without sunshine)
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To: opentalk

I’m still not getting the shot.

Very few deaths from it here in America. It doesn’t sound very severe, and I’ll just stay home for a few days if I do get it.

And its already pretty widespread, chances are that I already have been exposed to it or will before any vaccine takes effect- if the vaccine is actually effective.


14 posted on 10/24/2009 5:45:10 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: I_Like_Spam
Not sure of your age but they say that it is possible that those that were around when it first came through in the 70’s may have some form of immunity to it.
15 posted on 10/24/2009 5:51:56 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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I’m 53, I didn’t get the shot then when I was in college. But I did get pretty sick for a week or so in January 1977, I guess it could have been swine flu.


16 posted on 10/24/2009 5:56:51 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: I_Like_Spam
I am a few years older, (57) I never got the vaccine back them either. I don't recall being sick then, but I am hoping I have built up the immunity cause I teach in a primary/middle school.

It sounds like you might have built up an immunity to the virus.

17 posted on 10/24/2009 6:03:02 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: opentalk
we don't know the real facts because they are not doing widespread testing.....they are making assumptions that people have swine flu....

my husband has been coughing and hacking and I haven't felt too well.....ya think maybe we got colds?.....after all, the flu doesn't last for two weeks or more, and a lot of us are coughing and sneezing for longer than that....

the flu is not cancer!...its not Aids!...and its nothing that almost all people can't handle well on their own, no doctors or emergency rooms involved...

18 posted on 10/24/2009 6:25:02 PM PDT by cherry
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To: opentalk

methinks the pig flu is just another gubmint scam.


19 posted on 10/24/2009 6:42:16 PM PDT by webschooner
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Gal at work daughter had the flu and the doctor didn't do an additional test to check to see if it was swine flu because he said the CDC was telling them to assume it was the swine flu because most cases were... NOT GOOD DATA COLLECTION.
20 posted on 10/24/2009 7:46:50 PM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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