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We need to stop calling it “Obamacare” and call it what it really is: Health Control.

As with gun control, what it is truly about is the CONTROL.

I find it hard to imagine anything but chaos and confusion if this kind of bill becomes law, which seems more than likely to happen. I believe the bill provides for gradual implementation, but the reaction will be immediate.

“Batten down the hatches, Prince Arcturus.”

Despite what politicians and interest groups are saying, details in current bills compromise both patient choice and medical privacy.

It's a LEGACY bill, for 0bama, Baucus and all that sign on to it! They are legislating naming/claiming rights!

Currently, 90% of the country has insurance, all of the (5) bills mandate that everyone (the remaining 10%) purchase insurance.

This is an INSURANCE bill, not about health care.

HCR is ENTIRELY about liberty.

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I think that the main purpose of Health Care Reform (HCR) is as a direct assault on individual liberties.

HCR is not just about rationing care and wealth redistribution. It's about the end of individual rights as the corrosive effects of the new collectivist "basic human right to health care" spreads throughout the legal and political systems like a virus.

Congressman Anthony Weiner has said that health care is not a commodity. If it isn't a commodity then doctors and nurses are not free and sovereign citizens. Assigning health care the status of a right makes health care workers slaves to that right who must serve it. On what ground could a health care worker refuse to provide their products and services since that would violate the patient's "basic human right to health care."

That is a direct loss of individual rights for health care providers. The collective right of the people to receive health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set fees and hours or to change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge if taken to its logical extreme. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it is a right that is created and given by the government to those it chooses to give it to. It is not a natural right possessed by each person protected by the Constitution from the government. It is also a state right by virtue of the fact that it would supersede individual rights when the two come into conflict. How else would the government view a right that it created and administers vs. one it has no control over?

Of course it isn't stated in any bill that a patient's right to care supersedes a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights, as always, are adjudicated in the courts. The Health Care Reform bills simply establish the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the collective right.

Weiner’s view is collectivist, fascist and totalitarian. Collectivist because it has to be described as being a right of the many instead of the one and superior due to that fact. Fascist because ultimately the sole authority for its creation and oversight is from one entity the Federal government. Totalitarian because the Federal government is the enforcer of this collective right as well. State and local jurisdictions will have little say about it.

Congressman Weiner's view is the underlying philosophy of all of the Health Care Reform legislation in the House and Senate. Consider this section in the Senate version of the bill; the setting up of community watch dogs that will monitor citizens for various health parameters. Read pages 382 - 393.

TITLE I—QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS pps 382 - 393

So, even citizens themselves will be subject to Federal regulations on their behavior in order to fulfill the "human right" of universal health care. It isn't the individual's liberty that is being protected by that it is the government's control over its own health care system that is being guarded. How much clearer can it be that these bills abrogate the concept of individual rights? Someone will be checking your lifestyle, according to gov regulations, to be certain you serve the best interests of the "basic human right to health care" ie. "the Public Option."

Health Care is a Liberty Issue
Conservative Underground - 18 August 2009 - Tim Dunkin

Another Stupid Argument: Heath Care is a Right

Involuntary Medical Servitude

Obama's Authoritarian, Unconstitutional Health Care Proposal

Defining A Right In America

To Americans Who Believe Healthcare is a Right

OBAMA: HEALTH CARE DESTROYING FREE SPEECH

Second Bill of Rights aka FDR's economic bill of rights
(An early attempt to embed collective rights into American politics and society.)

Another post here tells of the revealing, of ‘’alien’’ life with new technology etc. What if they have medical tech. that we haven’t dreamed of? Only meds. would be for injuries from accidents. How’s this gonna set with the ‘’kill all you can’’ RATS? Hmmm.

Mandated health insurance threatens freedom, privacy

So what's the downside? ;-) (For the Dems, of course -- and Mitt Romney, who's still praising the MA monstrosity, which includes the mandate.)

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