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The Obama Trade (Truth about health care "reform" from Paul Ryan)
CNBC.com ^ | 10/23/09 | CNBC Fast Money Show

Posted on 10/23/2009 4:09:14 PM PDT by your local physicist

Only video available. I will add a few of Rep. Ryan's remarks to the thread.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: heatlhcare; paulryan; ryan
Rep. Paul Ryan: "The kinds of health insurance that millions of Americans have, Health Savings Accounts, high deductable plans, those are illegal, you can't have those under this new law."

Hey BHO, I thought you said "if you like your insurance policy you can keep it", back during the campaign? Oh I get it, that was just BS to get yourself elected. Well I want to keep my high deductable policy, so now I'm working to defeat this legislation.

1 posted on 10/23/2009 4:09:14 PM PDT by your local physicist
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To: your local physicist

You’ll need a little patience. There’s a 20 second commercial before the Ryan interview.


2 posted on 10/23/2009 4:11:52 PM PDT by your local physicist (Gridlock is good...in Washington.)
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To: your local physicist

Why in the world are all these people in congress pushing this health care “reform” so hard anyway? What is driving this thing, other than democrat party loyalty? What’s in it for the congresscritters? Is it just to grab more power over business so they can extort more campaign contributions in exchange for new loopholes in new laws? I’m baffled by this whole mess of prposed new regulations and new restrictions on our freedom.


3 posted on 10/23/2009 4:14:42 PM PDT by your local physicist (Gridlock is good...in Washington.)
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To: your local physicist

Rep. Paul Ryan: “The agenda here is to get the government to basically nationalize the health care sector and get the government to end up running health care, but to do so by using the rhetoric of the free market...use free market rhetoric: choice, competition, if you like what you’ve got you can keep it, but to actually pass a plan that actually prevents those things from actually materializing.”


4 posted on 10/23/2009 4:33:56 PM PDT by your local physicist (Gridlock is good...in Washington.)
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“What is driving this thing, other than democrat party loyalty? What’s in it for the congresscritters?”

$$$$ Other people’s money. $$$$$

Power. Control.

The democrat party members in congress appear to behold themselves gods.

“I am become Death, the destroyer of Nations.”


5 posted on 10/23/2009 4:36:00 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: your local physicist

This is typical liberal treachery: devious bait and switch tactics and flagrant deception and dishonesty. In the long run this health care legislation will not be accepted by a majority of Americans and there will be a political price paid by some people who vote for this reform bill when the American people finally know and understand all the details of this health care “reform” legislation.


6 posted on 10/23/2009 4:36:53 PM PDT by your local physicist (Gridlock is good...in Washington.)
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To: combat_boots

Some of them definitely think they are some kind of false god.


7 posted on 10/23/2009 4:40:23 PM PDT by your local physicist (Gridlock is good...in Washington.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Rep. Paul Ryan: "The kinds of health insurance that millions of Americans have, Health Savings Accounts, high deductable plans, those are illegal, you can't have those under this new law."

8 posted on 10/23/2009 5:39:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: your local physicist

You’ve gotten some good responses. The base idea is a massive, yet simple and raw increase in centralized power and a national capitulation to the notion that “they know best”. As many have stated, the medical system is widely quoted as comprising 16-17% of the economy, which in and of itself is a tremendous amount of money. But over and above that, there are virtually unlimited opportunities to exert even further control over your behavior, your lifestyle, your activites, your body. Whether you eat potato chips or fruit. Whether you can go skiing if they decide it’s dangerous. Whether you can ride a motorcycle. The implications are quite profound.


9 posted on 10/23/2009 10:30:48 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (It's better to give a Ford to the Kidney Foundation than a kidney to the Ford Foundation.)
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To: combat_boots; Attention Surplus Disorder
I've been thinking about these health care "reform" proposals tonight and I'm starting to conclude that it's mainly a big tax increase to pay for current health care entitlement programs and upgrade those programs to actual insurance policies as a political payback to people who voted for Obama and democrats. There's not enough tax revenue to continue paying for medicaid, medicare, and the reimbursements to hospitals for uninsured patients, which pays for medical care for many illegal immigrants. People in congress know there won't be enough tax revenue in the future to pay for all the current entitlements, so they have to get more money out of higher income people and young people to pay for medical care for poor people and illegal immigrants.

The scheme they've devised to get more money is to force everybody into the health insurance system (including healthy young people who often don't buy insurance) and eliminate low-cost high-deductable plans to drive up the average price of health insurance. This brings in a lot more money to use to insure the poor and illegal immigrants and to give much lower insurance prices to people with pre-existing conditions. So these proposals are really not about giving more people health care, because the poor and unemployed are already covered by medicaid. This is really all about pulling in more revenue to pay for the people currently on medicaid and other entitlement programs and upgrading them to a full insurnace policy. It's a big show but the main objective is a huge tax increase on higher income people and young people.

There will be a political price to be paid for supporters of this travesty when Americans finally know and understand the details of these proposals. But I'm starting to think some of these arrogant congresscritters are just punks with big egos who don't like listening to the voters and really like to control us, so much so that they're even willing to lose an election to maintain their sense of superiority, power, and control. We have some very strange people in our congress now, no question about it.

10 posted on 10/23/2009 11:52:08 PM PDT by your local physicist (Gridlock is good...in Washington.)
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