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Jet overshoots airport; fatigue may be factor
MSNBC ^ | Oct 22, 2009

Posted on 10/22/2009 3:33:07 PM PDT by rdl6989

MINNEAPOLIS - Federal officials said Thursday they are investigating whether pilot fatigue was a factor in a Northwest Airlines jet overflying the Minneapolis airport by 150 miles before crew members discovered their mistake and turned around.

The plane landed safely Wednesday evening, and none of the passengers or crew was hurt, the National Transportation Safety Board said. Northwest's parent, Delta Airlines Inc., said the jet carried 144 passengers and five crew members.

The NTSB said Northwest flight 188, an Airbus A320, was flying from San Diego to Minneapolis and lost radio contact with controllers just before 7 p.m. CDT when it was at 37,000 feet. The jet flew over the airport just before 8 p.m. and overshot it by 150 miles before communications were re-established at 8:14 p.m, the NTSB said. Story continues below ↓advertisement | your ad here

The Federal Aviation Administration said the crew told authorities they became distracted during a heated discussion over airline policy and lost track of where they were.

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TOPICS: Front Page News
KEYWORDS: dozinginthecockpit; northwestflight188; piloterror
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1 posted on 10/22/2009 3:33:07 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: rdl6989

Reminder to flight crew: do not hit the snooze button or you will overshoot the airport by 150 miles.


2 posted on 10/22/2009 3:40:06 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: rdl6989

I hate flying.


3 posted on 10/22/2009 3:41:21 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

I’ve never been fond of flying and things like this do nothing to relieve my white knuckles.


4 posted on 10/22/2009 3:42:16 PM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: rdl6989

Notice how of late everything is being related to “fatigue” now in the airline industry?


5 posted on 10/22/2009 3:42:27 PM PDT by cranked
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To: rdl6989

Nor mine. I have to fly this winter. I’m already having nightmares.


6 posted on 10/22/2009 3:44:50 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: rdl6989

“Overshoot” sounds like they ran out of runway. This sounds more like they missed their exit. Granted, they missed it big time...


7 posted on 10/22/2009 3:45:42 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (This tagline excerpted. To read more, click on MyOverratedBlog.com)
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To: rdl6989
I'm tired
Sick and tired of love
I've had my fill of love
From below and above
Tired, tired of being admired
Tired of love uninspired
Let's face it
I'm tired
8 posted on 10/22/2009 3:46:36 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Mr. Flyingsaucerballoonboymediawhoreman - this Bud's for you!)
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The Federal Aviation Administration said the crew told authorities they became distracted during a heated discussion over airline policy and lost track of where they were.

As a pilot all I can say is WTH!?!?!??!

9 posted on 10/22/2009 3:47:11 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: trisham

I’ve never heard of an incident due to the crew arguing.


10 posted on 10/22/2009 3:47:43 PM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: Larry Lucido

Well not that big. At cruising speed 150 miles is like 10 minutes maybe 15. And probably 5 of that was somebody saying “I think we missed”.


11 posted on 10/22/2009 3:47:56 PM PDT by discostu (The Bluebird of Happiness long absent from his life, Ned is visited by the Chicken of Depression)
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Weird. The Airbus’ automated systems should have been yelling at the flight crew. I kinda thought Airbus sutopilots don’t like to fly beyond waypoints entered the flight plan.

Granted, at .86 or so Mach, they only missed by 17 minutes ...

OOPS!


12 posted on 10/22/2009 3:48:52 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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Once again the ancient FAA navigation and air traffic control system on display. If the pilot only had a $100 GPS receiver in his pocket or a GPS-enabled smartphone, he would have a better idea of where he was than relying on gyros and radio beacons like airlines have been doing for the last 100 yrs.


13 posted on 10/22/2009 3:49:02 PM PDT by anymouse (God didn't write this sitcom we call life, he's just the critic.)
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AND they were at FL 370, so they missed the hand off from en route to approach control completely.

Talk about inattentive.


14 posted on 10/22/2009 3:50:19 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: rdl6989

I’m guessing one was a liberal and the others were conservatives. Maybe they need Admin Mods on planes!


15 posted on 10/22/2009 3:50:32 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: anymouse

The 320 coulda told them everything. They WERE NOT paying attention.

George was flying and they were yakking or sleeping.


16 posted on 10/22/2009 3:51:09 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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The only guy I knew that did that was on a cargo flight and took his girl friend along.

He put on auto pilot, retreated to the back of the plane to take care of his girl friend and was 120 miles past Seattle over the Pacific when he returned to the controls.


17 posted on 10/22/2009 3:51:16 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: colorado tanker

Ain’t it a cwyin’ shame?


18 posted on 10/22/2009 3:51:22 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: colorado tanker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-pmpgrYQgs


19 posted on 10/22/2009 3:52:52 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: discostu
Well when you consider the many things they have to attend to during the last 10 minutes of a flight it becomes much more of a problem. It's not like they were at cruising altitude and missed a turn to a new heading. This is the time when they are being switched from an enroute center to approach control, and then from approach to the tower. They are setting the aircraft up for the approach and landing.

How could they have been so distracted that they didn't realize they hadn't spoken with a controller for several minutes.

Something about this doesn't pass the smell test. Once they start their descent any altitude they're at is only temporary, as is their heading usually. It's hard to take this at face value.

In any event, no one on the flight crew should ever be allowed in a cockpit again.

20 posted on 10/22/2009 3:53:47 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America, and wake us up while you're about it!)
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