Posted on 10/22/2009 7:38:50 AM PDT by cc2k
At the beginning of the summer, most observers expected Republicans to win all three of the big elections on Nov. 3. Two weeks out, it suddenly looks very possible that Republicans will win only one: the Virginia governor’s race. The other two will be lost—not to superior Democratic organizing and messaging, but to the GOP’s own divisions.
By all rights, the special election in New York’s 23rd Congressional District should be a Republican cakewalk. Stretching across the hunting and fishing towns along the Great Lakes and Canadian border, the district contains Fort Drum, base of the 10th Mountain division, and re-elected its Republican congressman in the disaster years of 2006 and 2008 by margins of 60-plus percent.
Yet polls show the Republican candidate in serious trouble. State Republican Party leaders prevented an open primary race and instead engineered the nomination of one of their own, moderate, pro-choice Assemblywoman Deirdre Scozzafava.
Angry conservatives in the 23rd rebelled, rallying to the third-party candidacy of local accountant Doug Hoffman. Hoffman and Scozzafava are splitting the Republican vote between them, allowing Democrat Bill Owen to emerge as the front-runner.
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You are part of the problem. I’m sure your definition of “far right” includes 98% of Freepers.
Unlike the party it claims to represent, the GOP is more concerned with the total number of “R” in office than any particular agenda. If the GOP were about actual values and platform instead of a confusing, diluted elephant logo this wouldn’t be an issue.
Since the toothpaste is already out of the tube, it would be best if the Democrat won this election.
It would be interesting to know how accurate Frum’s past predictions have been.
GOOD!
The Democrat is less liberal than the Republican in this race.
This is not a REPUBLICAN dicussion forum. This is a CONSERVATIVE discussion forum.
Actually Scozzafava is throwing the race to the Dem. If she got out of the way Hoffmann would probably win. If not, better the Dem win then Scozzafava; we don't need any more Olympia Snowe type RINOettes.
Let the whiny RINOS write their ridicule pieces...If we cared what they thought we'd be supporting their RINO instead of the real Conservative.
Are you kidding me?? Scozzafava would be 100 times worse. Scozzafava would be another Olympia Snowe. The MSM would love her as she provides "bipartisan" political cover on vote after vote. The MSM would have her on every talk show always siding with Democrats and denouncing the GOP. Behold, the "new maverick"!
...or thinking, apparently.
If Hoffman stays out, a loopy ACORN-endorsed liberal wins the seat.
Pass.
To what end? Scozzafava’s stances on most issues are not only far to the left of the balance of the district, they’re identical to, or to the left of, the Democratic candidate’s. Pro-abortion. Pro-card-check. Pro-porkulus. The original post did a good job of listing them all. If you elect Scozzafava, you elect, basically, a Democrat who votes for John Boehner for Majority Leader, and that’s it.
Remember, the NY 23rd was represented for nine terms by a conservative Republican, who’s only gone because he accepted Obama’s offer to become Secretary of the Army. The district barely went for Obama in 2008, and typically returned the conservative Republican House incumbent with around 60% of the vote every election. It is not a district that “needs” a RINO to stay Republican...far from it. It’s as safe a Republican district as exists in the entire Northeast.
The point is, the GOP SHOULD NOT win that seat by nominating a liberal—not a “moderate,” a liberal by any definition. If this is who they choose to nominate, then they should lose, period. Preferably to the conservative who’s having to run outside the Republican power structure, but failing that, at least to the “real” Democrat.
This is where conservatives draw the line. This is where we stand our ground and say to the Republicans that we will not accept liberal candidates like Scozzafava, no way, no how. We tried it their way, and it got us John McCain, Lindsay Graham, Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, Jim Jeffords...I could go on. Now, it’s our turn.
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When is the last time a candidate chosen by a national party stepped aside so a candidate not chosen by the party could win?
Best is if the Conservative wins. I agree that the Dim winning is better than the Lib with the R after the name winning, however.
Frum is a tard. But that’s not the point. I think the guns are pointed in the wrong direction here. Consider:
The NY GOP is the villain here. Activist liberals run the party while conservatives sit at home and whine about Micheal Steel, Newt Gingrich, and George Bush. It’s not hard to become involved in politics at the precinct level - in most cases all you have to do is show up.
If conservatives in NY won’t show up for a precinct, county, or state convention, why are they surprised when the party nomination goes to someone favored by an activist liberal?
Don’t get me wrong. I hope Hoffman wins. Might even send him money - but this is the wrong template. If conservatives wait for a general election to become active - we’ll lose way more than we win.
>> The undeniable truth is that Hoffman will throw this election to the Democrat. <<
Yes, and that’s a very good thing because it means a reliable conservative can retake the seat in 2010.
(But if Dede were to win now, she’d probably hold the seat for many years.)
Anyone know what the latest poll numbers are? Dede couldn’t have helped herself this last week.
Regardless of politics, how could you support someone that calls the cops if asked a question?
Sorry Ced but it Hoffman stays out Scozzafava wins the seat ... and the country takes it between the cheeks once again.
It's not about party labels, it's about principles.
The undeniable truth is thatFixed that for you.HoffmanScozzafava will throw this election to the Democrat.
We will see who is right. The third place in this election will be the one that threw it to the winner. If Hoffman wins, it might be that Scozzafava threw it to him from Owens by pulling liberal votes from the Democrat.
The race is a virtual tie right now. And Scozzafava was basically beaten until the RCCC went all in last week.
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Comrade - what if we don’t like the policies of the candidate selected by the Central Committee?
I would rather have a Dim that is more conservative than the RINO. The Dim you basically know how they’re going to vote ... the RINO becomes anybodies guess.
You make a good point, the Republicans have certainly done it before. In this case, however, A win by the Democrat would be preferable to a Scozzafava win. Here's why: Scozzafava is way to the left of the Democrat candidate. She and her union goon husband have courted the Democrat Party with signals that she would switch parties for the right political favor. Whoever wins will have to defend the seat in 2010. The Republicans can nominate someone suited the the demographics of the District and defeat the Democrat. Scozzafava, as an incumbent on the Republican ticket, may infest us for years. The best outcome, of course, is for Hoffman to win and that can be done.
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