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Marx gets Vatican thumbs up
http://beta.thehindu.com/news/international/article37253.ece ^

Posted on 10/22/2009 7:34:31 AM PDT by kronos77

Amid the worst recession in generations, Karl Marx, who famously described religion as “the opium of the people”, got a thumbs up from the Vatican overturning a century of Catholic hostility to his creed.

Marx, who predicted that capitalism would be destroyed by its internal contradictions, has joined Galileo, Charles Darwin and Oscar Wilde on a growing list of historical figures to have undergone an unlikely reappraisal by the Roman Catholic Church, The Times newspaper said on Thursday.

The British daily, quoting the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano, said Marx’s early critiques of capitalism had highlighted the “social alienation” felt by the “large part of humanity” that remained excluded from economic and political decision-making.

Amid signs of recovery in global financial markets, Christian leaders have flayed the capitalist system for displaying a lack of moral values, arguing that ethical debates needs to be given greater prominence.

Georg Sans, a German-born professor of the history of contemporary philosophy at the pontifical Gregorian University, argues that Marx’s work remained especially relevant today as mankind was seeking “a new harmony” between its needs and the natural environment.

The report quoted Prof. Sans as saying that Marx’s theories may help to explain the enduring issue of income inequality within capitalist societies.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anticatholic; antichristian; bravosierra; capitalism; catholic; communism; inaccurateheadline; karlmarx; liberationtheology; marx; sourcetitlenoturl; vatican; yellowjournalism
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To: Mad Dawg

But you get revenge on Sister Mary Alice by touching the paten to her chin on icy morninigs. ;-)


141 posted on 10/22/2009 1:12:01 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: stockpirate
I understood your last sentence very well. Thanks. As for...

"I love those who appear on Catholic threads when it is written that the Pope supports a One World government, Marxism as does the church and say that it’s what it means or doen’t believe what you read."

Bunny-no idea

142 posted on 10/22/2009 1:12:29 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Lorica
And I'll bet you never messed up. :)

A better bet would be that I never messed up the same way twice ...

143 posted on 10/22/2009 1:13:28 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Mad Dawg

You failed to answer the point of the bishops supporting the Health Care bill if abortion was not in the bill and one other issue. Otherwise the bishops position is EVERY ONE should be covered in the bill.


144 posted on 10/22/2009 1:16:51 PM PDT by stockpirate ("if my thought-dreams could be seen. They'd probably put my head in a guillotine" Dylan)
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To: Campion

145 posted on 10/22/2009 1:17:48 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: stockpirate
I addressed that very point:
I'll grant, regretfully, that SOME, even a majority, of US bishops support SOME kind of national health care system.

Your original statement was, with added emphasis: The leaders of the Catholic Church support One World Government and Nationalized Healthcare.

So EITHER context matters OR (since you did not say, "SOME leaders..." or "A MAJORITY of leaders.... ) every single leader of the Catholic Church supports One World Government and National Healthcare. I am a leader in the Catholic Church, and (facetiousness alert!)(a) since I support neither of those things as they are currently envisioned by socialists you are wrong; and (b) you have just engaged in "mind-reading" which this forum prohibits.

OF COURSE I'm being facetious. I don't think you engaged in mind reading. I am just responding to your statements with the kind of attention to context and detail which anti-Catholics not only deny to the Pope's encyclical but also say it's dishonest for us to expect as one approaches an encyclical on a complex matter.

I addressed it in an answer to YOU! Here it is. As you can see if you take the trouble to read and to think about what I posted, I agree that SOME US bishops have the stand that you describe. However I disagree that that means what you charge, namely "The Leaders" of the Catholic Church etc .... Some do, some don't.

But broad brushes make up in fun what they lack in truth, don't they?

146 posted on 10/22/2009 1:27:44 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: trisham
It certainly sho' 'nuff is.
147 posted on 10/22/2009 1:30:16 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Sho’nuff
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sho’ Nuff is a slang expression meaning “sure enough”.

Sho’ Nuff can also refer to:

Sho’nuff (character), the Shogun of Harlem, from Berry Gordy’s The Last Dragon
Sho’nuff Records, an Atlanta-based record company in the United States
Sho Nuff, a song by Fatboy Slim

Interesting.


148 posted on 10/22/2009 1:33:29 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel; stockpirate

"I love those who appear on Catholic threads when it is written that the Pope supports a One World government, Marxism as does the church and say that it’s what it means or doen’t believe what you read."

I know this isn't really English but what I THINK it means is, "I HATE when the careful reading of a document reveals that its contents do not accord with my prejudices, which were supported by a quick and superficial skimming."
149 posted on 10/22/2009 1:34:42 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: trisham

The great thing about my time in Mississippi was that I interacted with folks who used this locution naturally an unaffectedly.

My fave is when’s it’s used to express incredulity: sho’ ‘NUFF?


150 posted on 10/22/2009 1:36:53 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

We have our own here in NE. Going back a bit in time “wicked” could be used in a couple of ways. Along with the standard meaning, it could also be used instead of “very”, as in “that pie is wicked good”, or “she’s a wicked bad driver”.


151 posted on 10/22/2009 1:42:15 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
Yeah. "Wicked" is interesting. Is it pretty much gone now?

If I weren't dyslexic and ADD-ed, and if life were, like, 300 years long, I'd be a philologist. "Wicked" is in the NE, used as a superlative or intensive. Then "bad" comes into play, I think beginning in black English but spreading quickly, also as an intensive.

It's fascinating.

152 posted on 10/22/2009 2:19:35 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: SoothingDave
(I missed this in the hail of unsubstantiated allegations and weird attacks from unexpected and irrelevant quarters.)

One of my favorite Dominicans said that there was a natural check on the impulse to be mean to novices: When one was old and wheelchair bound, it would be the former novice who just might push your wheelchair downstairs.

So I see that altar boys had a natural response to the ninja nun.

I love how justice works ... when it's not working on me, that is.

153 posted on 10/22/2009 2:34:48 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin: pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

It was popular in the ‘80’s, but has fallen out of fashion since then. I recall a unique and somewhat mysterious variation, “wicked pisser”, which was pronounced “wickahd pissah”. Ah, the good old days.


154 posted on 10/22/2009 3:27:42 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SoothingDave
One question: If you think God doesn't desire that mankind participate in the work of salvation, why did He bother to become incarnate?

I do not understand your question. Temple curtain practices ended in Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when He had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

51 And, behold, the veil of the Temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

There is no more that 'veil' or curtain literally or figurative for the priest to do work behind.

155 posted on 10/22/2009 5:40:19 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Paladin2

. “Let us recall the fact that atheism and the denial of the human person, his liberty and rights, are at the core of the Marxist theory. This theory, then, contains errors which directly threaten the truths of the faith regarding the eternal destiny of individual persons. Moreover, to attempt to integrate into theology an analysis whose criterion of interpretation depends on this atheistic conception is to involve oneself in terrible contradictions. What is more, this misunderstanding of the spiritual nature of the person leads to a total subordination of the person to the collectivity, and thus to the denial of the principles of a social and political life which is in keeping with human dignity.”

From CDF on Liberation Theology.


156 posted on 10/22/2009 5:46:30 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Mad Dawg
In the Name of the Savior there are false and mendacious attacks, the ready belief of unsubstantiated rumor, the unwillingness to admit that an attack is careless, scurrilous, and baseless, and a eagerness to "rejoice in the evil" when that evil can be attributed, truly or not, to Catholics. All in the Name of the Savior. The article on which this thread is based is bogus. Let's hear somebody who is confident that nothing he can do can separate him from the Love of God which is in Christ Jesus admit that what was attempted was failed tarring of Catholics with a falsehood. You guys start something, won't you finish it before you switch to another attack? Or are arguments which do not go your way invalid BECAUSE they don't go your way?

Actually I need no rumors, etc., to spend one second upon to test the fruit of peoples who believe in a social gospel. IT is very simple when whatever denomination claims to be doing the 'Lord's' work use this government to pass that collective taxation plate to accomplish said work.

157 posted on 10/22/2009 5:50:04 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
I do not understand your question.

I thought so.

158 posted on 10/22/2009 5:50:08 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Mad Dawg
Bro' Campion: His side started a fight on the field of whether the alleged article supported their contention that we or the Pope or somebody is a Marxist. Now they're bringing up confession. This obscures their having abandoned the battle field on which THEY arrayed their forces and where THEY invited us to contend. They have fled, and are now sniping from some other place. We have won this field, but they won't admit it.

There is no contention that Marxist principles are IN fact practiced by members of the Catholic church. Have you forgotten so soon that old 'lion' of the Senate that attempted for decades to pluck the feathers out of the eagle? Oh and Nanny state Pelosi is still preening her proud tail feathers. I even hear one high ranking priest or whatever his title was saying he was allllllllll for universal health care if they took out the funding for abortion.

Now how brain dead is this character when he is waist deep in a Marxist policy.

159 posted on 10/22/2009 5:54:47 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: netmilsmom

Yup. Like I said. Church shopping, for various reasons.
None of the responses disproves my contention. You all
never admit the truth about this.


160 posted on 10/22/2009 6:14:14 PM PDT by Bainbridge
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