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Posted on 10/21/2009 8:25:00 PM PDT by neverdem
No need for self defense. If I lived in Georgetown county, I’d hang myself.
Elliott pointed out that criminals will find a way around the system and it was important to protect the rights of those who have the proper permits.
Brown responded with, "The ends justify the extremes."
Can the police provide a 100% guarantee that no-one will come on school grounds armed? In other words, will all parking lot entrances and every door to every building be guarded by an armed officer at all times while students and faculty are on the grounds? No? Then you are attempting to deny citizens their Constitutionally guaranteed fundamental right to self defense. Everyone should come to school armed. Sorry, but in defending the Constitution "The ends justify the extremes."
“Law enforcement is against this 100 percent,” said Capt. Nelson Brown of the Georgetown Police Department. “We go with a zero-tolerance policy with firearms on school property.”
People will break into cars and if there are guns there it will mean that firearms are in the hands of non-permitted individuals, Brown told school board members. He also said confrontations could escalate with students if they know they can break into a teacher’s car and get a gun.
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What utter Bravo Sierra. Spoken by the kind of cop who can’t stand the thought that anybody who isn’t a cop could possess a weapon. “The ends justifies the extremes” - what ARROGANCE! Same rationale that forces me to leave my weapon at home when I go on base, when I have three expert marksmanship awards (2 AF, 1 Navy) and an “all-access” Texas CHL. Makes no sense.
Colonel, USAFR
Uh oh.
Another “gun free” zone.
You know what that means...
Now that they’ve created yet another government mandated soft-target, they can get down to the business of appropriating money for the inevitable grief counseling.
The Board can possibly legally prohibit them on school property, but the existence of a state law that permits them under certain conditions will put that prohibition into a legal quandary.
There is no legal CRIMINAL penalty for failure to follow a school board POLICY, so threats of arrest are BS. The chief's argument about breaking into cars would be laughed out of court. They could however threaten a person's job if they brought a weapon onto the property.
But unless the person bringing the weapon onto the property tells them they have done so, then using the power of the police to detect an activity that is not illegal but simply against a governmental entity’s policy might violate some right of the fired person.
Legally very interesting. Would love to be arguing it when it comes to court, and it will come to the Bar, but if you are there, DO NOT volunteer you have a weapon or answer any questions along that line without advice of local counsel.
Well we can see that this cop is not alone
Section 930, Title 18, United States Federal Criminal Code states
“Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in federal facilities, buildings, or installations is illegal. Anyone who attempts to or violates this provision shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than a year, or both.”
“Gun Free Zones” should apply to cops too.
“The dogs do pick up the smell of gunpowder and will be able to detect some weapons, Dozier said.”
Might be interesting to regularly spinkle a little gunpowder on/around Superintendent Dozier’s car.
So, El Jefe, why do you allow criminals such wide latitude?
Elliott pointed out that criminals will find a way around the system and it was important to protect the rights of those who have the proper permits.
Brown responded with, "The ends justify the extremes."
Spoken like a true totalitarian Liberal licker of criminals' boots...and a tacit admission that you and your cops are useless at preventing crime.
And, speaking of 'preventing crime': why, Oh High And Mighty Chief, are you not only condoning, and openly advocating, but even conspiring to violate state law, which you are supposedly sworn to enforce?
Pawleys Island is in Georgetown Cty as well as DeBordiue and other super wealthy liberal havens. The more that the MIchiganders, New Yorkers, etc. flood into that area the more they bring along their rotten stench of do gooder government is everything ways.
This part of SC has a high % of 2 citizen categories that have no respect for the US Constitution nor the BoRs...white Libs and their friends still on the Plantation!
“The dogs do pick up the smell of gunpowder and will be able to detect some weapons, Dozier said.”
All I have to say is, “Bull, Dozier!!”
Militant
That’s the section, alrighty. Pisses me off every time. I’ve made some feeble attempts to get support for changing it, but nobody in Congress wants to touch it.
What doesn’t make sense to me is that we’re all trained to handle weapons. You’d think they’d WANT us to carry in order to maintain some comfort level with the weapon, rather than shooting every 3 years and never touching it in between - THAT’s dangerous, not having a licensed carrier carry.
grumblegrumble...
Colonel, USAFR
“I have been in law enforcement of over 28 years, both local and federal, and I have always maintained that an armed citizenry is the best defense against crime. Any cop who disagrees isn’t worthy of wearing the badge. Period.”
I appreciate your point of view. In my experience, you’re in a minority of LEOs who see that having responsible people carry weapons IS a deterrent - and there’s that whole, “When seconds count, the police are only minutes away” thing, too...
Thanks for your service, TBM.
Colonel, USAFR
The cop in the article is a captain. In my experience, the more an cop is promoted away from the street, the more a purely political animal he becomes. That’s why street cops oftentimes have an opposing opinion from their chiefs: because chiefs are bureacrats, just like the captain in the article. they do not deal with criminals on a daily basis. Instead, they deal with politicians and paperwork.
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