Posted on 10/21/2009 3:09:11 PM PDT by cc2k
One of the interesting races for 2009 is a special eelction for the 23rd Congressional District of New York. That is because of the presence and surprising strength of Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman, a CPA who entered the race as an afterthought.
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Scozzafava has taken several positions that Republicans and conservatives have found off putting. She was for tax increases before she was against them. She also supported the stimulus bill and card check. Some have wondered why Scozzafava is even a Republican, she has taken so many liberal positions.
Scozzafava has had trouble raising money, possibly because of her liberal positions. Doug Hoffman is well financed by the Club for Growth and other conservative organizations. Hoffman has also been endorsed by Fred Thompson, Dick Armey, and Gary Bauer. Bill Owen recently got an infusion of cash from a Barack Obama headlined fund raiser.
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Markos Moulitsas, founder of The Daily Kos has endorsed Scozzafava. Dede Scozzafava has also been endorsed by NYSUT, the largest labor union in New York, and an affiliate of the National Education Association.
Scozzafava also holds these positions:
Scozzafava has also run in past elections on the Working Families Party (a progressive party associated with ACORN) line on the ballot.
This lady isn’t a RINO, she is a big “R” libeRal democRat.
There are also 17 RINOs in the house who have donated funds to this LibeRal democRat's campaign. They include Boehner and Cantor. I don’t have a full list, but I will be looking for it. These unprincipled RINO enablers should be targeted for elimination in the primaries next year.
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LOL. He was simply asking about her stands on certain issues. Honest answers would have made her look pretty bad. And that exceeded her comfort level.
Get out the vote NEW YORK!!! We are sending the MONEY!!
From Los Angeles!!!
The modern day GOP
Betting on the underdog has always made the game more fun to watch, so what the hell. I sent Hoffman $20 bucks and now I’ve got a horse in this race.
Calling Newt G. Calling Newt G. Need more money for your canidate in NY!
Rush talked about this RINO today. I would say that his discussion helped her conservative opponent. RINOs and RATs; same ole same ole.
We The People are through with RINO’s. Hey Newt do you hear that? Please pass the word to the leadership of the GOP. I passed my comments on to one of Newt’s callers two days ago.
The GOP/RNC will do anything to keep CP Hoffman out.
No freek’n way do they want a ‘Conservative Party’.
Just the very idea of a conservative party is way way more scary than a total Obama commi/socialist Democrat party.
Like a flash, the GOP/RNC could lose 1/3 or more of Republicans, with I feel, more than half defecting to a Conservative Party with in a few years.
Then the GOP will have to align, fold into the Democrat party where they will be most comfortable with big government, big finance, anti-Constitutionalists that in fact the GOP is.
Right now we and the idea of a Conservative or Conservative Populist party is the biggest worry and threat to the RNC. Obama is very much their friend, as with no effort, nothing Obama has driven, forced voters to say on the liberal GOP political plantation.
Maybe something like proportional representation would serve us better. A situation where if a conservative party got 15% of the vote, they get 15% of the seats in congress.
There is definitely something unprecedented here, and I have thought so from the beginning. This Dede woman is a rare kind of political animal way beyond the usual RINO we’re all used to. I can’t think of many nominal Republicans who could garner as many Democrat votes as she may very well garner:this is apparently some kind of conscious, and idiotic Republican strategy, or maybe a Democratic strategy——in which case it’s conniving, cynical, and self-serving.Whose strategy it is depends on how she fares vote-wise, unless she drops out. THere HAS to be some logic to it. Think about it: she’s like an Arlen -Specter-in-waiting, just as if she was meant to REPLACE him after his “defection”. Point is, she has ALREADY defected, but still wears the wrong label.
She can pretend to be Republican, and somehow “fit in” with the current flabby parameters of what it means to be a Republican, with the blessing of Michael Steele, did I hear, and NEWT GINGRICH???????, and passing that test, be counted on to behave legislatively in a certain acceptable way, even if barely acceptable......in any event, she is perceived by the still-official “leaders” of the Party as being a more “electable” candidate than Doug Hoffman.
THat’s what it comes down to. I live in New Jersey, and know lots in NY, but don’t know how many up in the 23rd District. It doesn’t matter: this race has rightly been pegged as very important and will surely be symbolic of where Steele and his minions want to take the party and its elected representatives. I think it would be stupid for any of us to “beg” or try to coerce the Establishment Pubbies to change their minds and get behind the real Republican/Conservative. They have ALREADY shown their hand. Let’s take them at their word, and accept what they’ve already shown us THEY ARE. THEN , we can start pressing to get rid of them, STARTING with the ludicrous and irrelevant Steele.
You guys think this is a fight, (this is only a minor skirmish) just wait till Florida, you have not seen anything yet... the rebellion has begun..
Let Cotter know your disgust!!!!!
Sorry for the huge link. I don’t know how to dress it up!
Polly
What a disappointment he's become. I use to really like this guy. I can see supporting a moderate in a liberal district, but this lady is on the left!
For those who would like to bet on Hoffman, Intrade just opened a contract on that race. Support your conservative candidate AND make money doing it if he wins. Pretty cool.
Special Election: NY 23rd District (to replace John McHugh)
Contract Bid Ask Last Vol Chge
NY23.SPECIAL.DEM
Democratic Party candidate to win M Trade - - - 0 0
NY23.SPECIAL.REP
Republican Party candidate to win M Trade - - - 0 0
NY23.SPECIAL.OTHER
Any other candidate to win M Trade 10.0 - - 0 0
You’re obviously talking about Rubio in the upcoming race.
What exactly is the mood there? How is Crist faring?Is the media force-feeding poll numbers of its choosing, one way or another?
Why do you think it’s gonna be more dramatic than the NY-23rd race?
Does anyone have poll numbers?
Was there even a GOP primary?
GOP made another big mistake. They picked Crist without allowing the people to decide. Florida has a more diverse population and national consequences.
Gov. Charlie Crist’s lead over former state house speaker Marco Rubio in the 2010 Republican U.S. Senate primary has been cut in half from 55 - 26 percent to 50 - 35 percent...
“Gov. Charlie Crist’s lead, which had been 29 points August 19, has come back down to earth. His margin is still formidable, but obviously Marco Rubio’s focus on convincing Republican conservatives that he, not Crist, is their kind of guy is bearing fruit,” said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.
“Among Republicans, 44 percent view Rubio favorably, 3 percent unfavorably, up from 24 - 6 percent August 19. But fully half don’t know enough about him to have an opinion. Filling in that blank slate for that half of GOP voters - positively by Rubio and negatively by Crist - will decide the nomination.
“Floridians now give Crist the worst overall job approval of his governorship, 59 - 31 percent...
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1386
Rasmussen reports that Rubio would be a stronger general election candidate, as a new poll shows he would beat the leading Democrat in the race, Congressman Kendrick Meek, by 15 points:
Rubio is growing stronger against Meek, while Crist weakens, a trend consistent with their matchup in the primary, as well as with the fact that Rasmussen shows a 10-point drop (from 59% to 49%) in Crist’s approval rating as Governor.
Source: Redstate
http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2009/10/22/rasmussen-makes-it-official-marco-rubio-more-electable-than-charlie-crist/
Politico: Crist twist: Florida primary tightens
Florida political insiders and the state media buzzed about an unreleased recent Chamber of Commerce poll said to show a closer-than-expected primary race.
For his part, Rubio is tapping into conservative grass-roots antipathy toward Crist. He has won nearly a dozen county straw polls across the state — often by landslide margins. In August, he won a Florida Federation of College Republicans poll, and in September, he won several straw polls conducted by local GOP women’s clubs.
Last week, Rubio defeated Crist in a decisive 90-17 vote in Palm Beach County.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28446.html
Jeb Bush comments:
“I think he should be given a chance. I think that the idea that the national party would pick a winner a year and a half before an election is the wrong way to go.”
Marco Rubio: I’m Running for Senate Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaQywIdjYbM
Thanks for that wealth of truly outstanding information!
I wish all FReepers would respond in kind, when one is seriously trying to figure things out, and not be so quick with wisecracks or dogma.
The very strange, very vexing, and to my mind, unprecedented thing about this upstate NY race is almost that Ms Scozzafava seems almost intentionally to be put into the race TO LOSE, PUT INTO THE RACE BY THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT TO LOSE!! NOT TO LOSE FOR HERSELF, but to force a loss FOR THE PARTY! She has backing of key people,
and she has so little to offer that’s any different from the Democrat candidate, that the electorate may just go for the Democrat candidate in what was always a Republican stronghold. This woman, as has been said, is not a RINO, she is virtually a Liberal Democrat! So she seems (again, though, maybe just a sui generis individual case, and NOT a trend) to represent something that I can’t ever remember seeing before. Something that looks ludicrous in a way serious political candidates are never SUPPOSED to look
I characterized her not as just an Arlen-Specter-in-Waiting,but like an Arlen Specter that’s ALREADY defected, and is being trotted out for the voter’s approval.
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