Posted on 10/19/2009 1:37:18 PM PDT by cc2k
No but Perot was not the one who ushered in Clinton. Mr “Read My Lips” did that all on his own. Perot pretty much split the vote down the middle.
The parties are like glove. First the far left infiltrated and took over the Democratic party. Now they are doing the same to the GOP. Conservatives have a choice, throw them out or simply leave the GOP to them. The problem is that the current system is fixed for the two major parties. At this point we have no choice but to purge our ranks of the phony RINOS and leftist pretenders.
All I was attempting to do was to clarify that the other poster was referring to Perot when it appeared you thought he was referring to HW Bush.
Perot might have been president had he not dropped out.
Just which candidate do you think Wallace drew votes away from? You can give Humphries the electoral votes of every state that Wallace ran in, and he still wouldn’t have won the election.
But besides that, do you think that the voters who voted for Wallace would have had their electoral goals better met if Humphries won the election? The Wallace voters voted against Nixon for one reason, and one reason only: they refused to vote for the party that freed the slaves.
Again, what benefit is it to the conservative movement to have a pro-abortion, pro-gay, ACORN-backed radical socialist giving Obama’s agenda a veneer of bipartisanship? Hell, I’d MUCH rather the Democrat win half a term and be thrown out in 2010 by a real American than see Scuzzypalooza lock in a communist seat in NY 23rd for the rest of her career.
Again, this isn’t like Perot the Independent vs. Bush the Republican; it’s like Hillary Clinton the Republican v. Ronald Reagan the Conservative.
But if you’re so infected with Battered Wife Syndrome that you’ll take whatever assaults the socialist wing of the Republican Party crams down your throat, then you’ll end up with two socialist parties. Capitulating to the enemy is no way to win in politics.
This race is helping to illustrate this fact very nicely.
***I agree. This is the first time I’ve smelled fear from the GOP corner. What I do not understand is why someone comes onto this conservative forum abd tries to kick the knees out of a conservative candidate. How many times do we have to point out that this is NOT a GOP forum.
Win, lose or draw in NY23, Republican leaders are getting a wake up call. They may not like it or listen to it, but it should get their attention. They have a Party with a wide split in it, if they can't ease that divide by Nov 2010 they are in serious trouble.
The NY23 seat hasn't been occupied by a Democrat since the Civil War, Democrats have been beaten in NY23 for 144 years. So what does the RNC decide? Let's support and finance a liberal, liberal Democrat with a R after her name.
That is the definition of madness!
It seems that the Conservative Party did disown Dede.
From: http://www.tcotreport.com/23ny1.html
First elected to serve in the Assembly to represent St. Lawrence and Jefferson Counties in 1998, Scozzafava's increasingly leftward voting trend concerned Long greatly. When in 2004 Scozzafavva sought out and accepted the endorsement of the ACORN affilliated Working Families Party, Long had seen and heard enough. He withdrew the Conservative Party's endorsement from her, and vowed to never support her again in any election.
And, from what I've read it's also true!
Markos Moulitsas from the Daily Kos has endorsed Dede, saying that she is the most liberal candidate in the race.
Democrats haven't held the NY23 seat since 1871.
What brilliant Republican decided to run a liberal, liberal Democrat under the Republican banner, and why in the world is the RNC supporting and financing Dede?
I haven’t watched it, but it’s a good line.
I’m not really concerned with the dates. I’m concerned with primaries where Democrats and Republicans can vote for the Republican nominee in the primary. The party needs to clean that and other stuff up, so we don’t get another major RINO in 2012.
I understand that. I’d rather see this guy on the R.P. ticket. Out here in California, when an actual Conservative does get on the ballot, the R.P. leadership ignores them after the primary.
If it’s a RINO, they’re just happy as clams in mud. They pull out all the stops to get them elected.
We wouldn’t have Schwarzenegger today, if it weren’t for the R.P. leadership that refused to support Pete Simon in 2002.
Boy did they love Arnold though.
Good work RJL. Thanks to the both of you for your input on this. It helps to understand what is going on back there, and I appreciate it.
Hank,
County Agent Hank Kimball wrote:
If these candidates would get smart and post paypal links, I’d give to lots more. Went to Hoffman’s cite...no paypal. I won’t do it with a credit card.
Hank
Doug Hoffman does have a paypal link. There is a PayPal button on his main page, upper right side. And check my signature now. I’ve added the PayPal link as well.
This district, this race might well be an exception to that general rule.
Buffalo Head wrote:
Third party efforts have almost always caused the election of the opponent to whichever party from which the candidate split. Pretty much a kamikaze effort that allows simpletons some pleasure during a campaign.
First, the district supported a Conservative Republican candidate in last year’s election, going for McHugh with 65% of the vote. On the same ballot, they rejected McCain, a RINO.
And on the issues, Doug Hoffman is pretty close to John McHugh, and both of the other candidates aren’t even close to John McHugh. They are closer to each other.
Check my posts, especially this post from yesterday for information about the recent electoral history of this district and John McHugh, their previous congressman.
I can’t say anything about why the locals thought that Scozzafava was a good choice. But I will definitely say that Sessions needs to step down from the RCCC over this race. The vetting process broke down entirely. That committee should have figured out who this candidate was, and refused to fund someone who opposes basically everything in the Republican platform. Sessions and his committee, along with Steele and the RNC, have committed fraud by funding this candidate from donations to the Republican party.
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In NC Obama won by less then 25,000 votes, Barr got more than 25,000 votes.
Conservative third party votes in the general election get the D elected.
Not that it did any good but I voted for Keyes in the primary. NC votes so late Juan was already picked.
that's usully true. but in this case, what does it matter? this Scozzafaza is a ACORN, Daily KOS approved candidate! She'd be any better than the demhole in the seat? Maybe Hoffman can pull it off. That'd be sweet.
I see your point. I live in South Caorlina, in Lindsay Grahams district. I don’t think he is well loved here...
too many rednecks, like me, are here He rides the fence too much....like right now on cap and trade, and the health bill.
We do have someone that will run against him in 2016, hopefully
You’re the one pushing for the election of a pro-gay, pro-abortion, radical socialist supported by ACORN (which, incidentally, is Stalinist). And you’re putting scare quotes around ‘conservative’ when you refer to me?
Answer me this: do you really think the Republicans are going to gain the trust of political independents if they make it so painfully clear that they’ll sell out their political convictions in a heartbeat?
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