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Rahmmy says Bamma's imminent, purposeful failure in Afganistan is Bush's fault ...
1 posted on 10/18/2009 11:51:53 AM PDT by dodger
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So, Obama’s plan in March was a failure........so of course go back to blaming booosh!


2 posted on 10/18/2009 11:52:50 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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BS.. where’s muh shovel? That is an impressive pile of manure they are hauling out, eh?


3 posted on 10/18/2009 11:53:03 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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What a load of crap!!!! If there was anyone who involved in this conscientious of all those things, and what the military leaders needed, it would be Bush. Unbelievable gall. Okay, not that unbelievable, but what GALL!
4 posted on 10/18/2009 11:54:13 AM PDT by swatbuznik
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You lie!


5 posted on 10/18/2009 11:54:23 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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F*cking hilarious. What questions did Bush need to ask besides “Was Bin Laden there? Did he plan 9/11 from Afghan soil?”

Rahm is a vile pile of excrement. This is the best the Democrats can come up with—this team? Even if this poor excuse for inaction were true, Our Commie Muslim President has been in office for 9 months. That’s time enough to fix the problem, right, geniuses?


6 posted on 10/18/2009 11:54:57 AM PDT by j-damn
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Think CNN will fact check it?


7 posted on 10/18/2009 11:55:06 AM PDT by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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8 posted on 10/18/2009 11:56:25 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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And Rahmeee alone knows what those key questions are, and with godlike omniscience knows what questions Mr. Bush and his advisors asked? Nay. Never the case.

Rahmmeee lies.


9 posted on 10/18/2009 11:57:15 AM PDT by bvw
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Hey Rahm...

L I A R

10 posted on 10/18/2009 11:57:44 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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And ,i have a doubdt,Emanuel was the only guest on CNN to talk on that issue?
Or was a member of the former Administration there to defend BUSH’s policy?

NO WAY ? What is this joke of free democratic debate in a supposed “free society”?

CNN is ONCE FOR ALL a joke


11 posted on 10/18/2009 11:59:58 AM PDT by Ulysse (a)
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Translation: “My boss is weak and indecisive, and it’s my job to cover for him.”


13 posted on 10/18/2009 12:00:28 PM PDT by matt1234
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When Bush was President, the Taliban was in Pakistan. Not much Bush could do to them there, so the “he did not ask questions” theory is pretty mindless inasmuch as there was nothing for Bush to do in Afghanistan at the time. Now the Taliban is in Afghanistan. Maybe they aren’t afraid of Obama, as they were of Bush.


14 posted on 10/18/2009 12:01:31 PM PDT by Brilliant
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Bush's fault that Hussein has been sitting on his hands for 9 months.

Rahm:"The president is asking the questions that have never been asked on the civilian side, the political side, the military side and the strategic side."

And that question is ...."How can we lose in Afghanistan, destroy America and remain in power long enough to transform the country into a socialist hell?"

15 posted on 10/18/2009 12:02:09 PM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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We have a wuss in the White House!


16 posted on 10/18/2009 12:02:30 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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I do believe that the outgoing US President and the incoming US President have meetings for things like this. If Bush “failed” to tell Zero what was going on in Afganistan, than its Zero’s responsibility to ask Bush. If Zero didn’t ask, than that is its own damn fault.


17 posted on 10/18/2009 12:04:17 PM PDT by PJBankard (Americans love a winner, and will not tolerate a loser. -Gen. George Patton)
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But Obama had an active Office of President-Elect from last November through late January. Certainly he could have helped Bush ask the "right" questions then. /sarc


18 posted on 10/18/2009 12:06:03 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men)
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** CAPTAIN TOMORROW **

"Need a decision, Need plan, Call me Tomorrow!"


19 posted on 10/18/2009 12:06:50 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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Bush made Afghanistan look easy for a while — because his strategy of drawing the Jihadists into Iraq worked.
20 posted on 10/18/2009 12:07:07 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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Remarks of Senator Obama: The War We Need to Win
Washington, DC | August 01, 2007

Thank you Lee, for hosting me here at the Wilson Center, and for your leadership of both the 9/11 Commission and the Iraq Study Group. You have been a steady voice of reason in an unsteady time.

Let me also say that my thoughts and prayers are with your colleague, Haleh Esfandiari, and her family. I have made my position known to the Iranian government. It is time for Haleh to be released. It is time for Haleh to come home.

Thanks to the 9/11 Commission, we know that six years ago this week President Bush received a briefing with the headline: "Bin Ladin determined to strike in U.S."

It came during what the Commission called the "summer of threat," when the "system was blinking red" about an impending attack. But despite the briefing, many felt the danger was overseas, a threat to embassies and military installations. The extremism, the resentment, the terrorist training camps, and the killers were in the dark corners of the world, far away from the American homeland.

Then, one bright and beautiful Tuesday morning, they were here.

I was driving to a state legislative hearing in downtown Chicago when I heard the news on my car radio: a plane had hit the World Trade Center. By the time I got to my meeting, the second plane had hit, and we were told to evacuate.

People gathered in the streets and looked up at the sky and the Sears Tower, transformed from a workplace to a target. We feared for our families and our country. We mourned the terrible loss suffered by our fellow citizens. Back at my law office, I watched the images from New York: a plane vanishing into glass and steel; men and women clinging to windowsills, then letting go; tall towers crumbling to dust. It seemed all of the misery and all of the evil in the world were in that rolling black cloud, blocking out the September sun.

What we saw that morning forced us to recognize that in a new world of threats, we are no longer protected by our own power. And what we saw that morning was a challenge to a new generation.

The history of America is one of tragedy turned into triumph. And so a war over secession became an opportunity to set the captives free. An attack on Pearl Harbor led to a wave of freedom rolling across the Atlantic and Pacific. An Iron Curtain was punctured by democratic values, new institutions at home, and strong international partnerships abroad.

After 9/11, our calling was to write a new chapter in the American story. To devise new strategies and build new alliances, to secure our homeland and safeguard our values, and to serve a just cause abroad. We were ready. Americans were united. Friends around the world stood shoulder to shoulder with us. We had the might and moral-suasion that was the legacy of generations of Americans. The tide of history seemed poised to turn, once again, toward hope.

But then everything changed.

We did not finish the job against al Qaeda in Afghanistan. We did not develop new capabilities to defeat a new enemy, or launch a comprehensive strategy to dry up the terrorists' base of support. We did not reaffirm our basic values, or secure our homeland.

Instead, we got a color-coded politics of fear. Patriotism as the possession of one political party. The diplomacy of refusing to talk to other countries. A rigid 20th century ideology that insisted that the 21st century's stateless terrorism could be defeated through the invasion and occupation of a state. A deliberate strategy to misrepresent 9/11 to sell a war against a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.

And so, a little more than a year after that bright September day, I was in the streets of Chicago again, this time speaking at a rally in opposition to war in Iraq. I did not oppose all wars, I said. I was a strong supporter of the war in Afghanistan. But I said I could not support "a dumb war, a rash war" in Iraq. I worried about a " U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences" in the heart of the Muslim world. I pleaded that we "finish the fight with bin Ladin and al Qaeda."

The political winds were blowing in a different direction. The President was determined to go to war. There was just one obstacle: the U.S. Congress. Nine days after I spoke, that obstacle was removed. Congress rubber-stamped the rush to war, giving the President the broad and open-ended authority he uses to this day. With that vote, Congress became co-author of a catastrophic war. And we went off to fight on the wrong battlefield, with no appreciation of how many enemies we would create, and no plan for how to get out.

Because of a war in Iraq that should never have been authorized and should never have been waged, we are now less safe than we were before 9/11.

According to the National Intelligence Estimate, the threat to our homeland from al Qaeda is "persistent and evolving." Iraq is a training ground for terror, torn apart by civil war. Afghanistan is more violent than it has been since 2001. Al Qaeda has a sanctuary in Pakistan. Israel is besieged by emboldened enemies, talking openly of its destruction. Iran is now presenting the broadest strategic challenge to the United States in the Middle East in a generation. Groups affiliated with or inspired by al Qaeda operate worldwide. Six years after 9/11, we are again in the midst of a "summer of threat," with bin Ladin and many more terrorists determined to strike in the United States.

What's more, in the dark halls of Abu Ghraib and the detention cells of Guantanamo, we have compromised our most precious values. What could have been a call to a generation has become an excuse for unchecked presidential power. A tragedy that united us was turned into a political wedge issue used to divide us.

It is time to turn the page. It is time to write a new chapter in our response to 9/11.

Just because the President misrepresents our enemies does not mean we do not have them. The terrorists are at war with us. The threat is from violent extremists who are a small minority of the world's 1.3 billion Muslims, but the threat is real. They distort Islam. They kill man, woman and child; Christian and Hindu, Jew and Muslim. They seek to create a repressive caliphate. To defeat this enemy, we must understand who we are fighting against, and what we are fighting for.

The President would have us believe that every bomb in Baghdad is part of al Qaeda's war against us, not an Iraqi civil war. He elevates al Qaeda in Iraq -- which didn't exist before our invasion -- and overlooks the people who hit us on 9/11, who are training new recruits in Pakistan. He lumps together groups with very different goals: al Qaeda and Iran, Shiite militias and Sunni insurgents. He confuses our mission.

And worse -- he is fighting the war the terrorists want us to fight. Bin Ladin and his allies know they cannot defeat us on the field of battle or in a genuine battle of ideas. But they can provoke the reaction we've seen in Iraq: a misguided invasion of a Muslim country that sparks new insurgencies, ties down our military, busts our budgets, increases the pool of terrorist recruits, alienates America, gives democracy a bad name, and prompts the American people to question our engagement in the world.

By refusing to end the war in Iraq, President Bush is giving the terrorists what they really want, and what the Congress voted to give them in 2002: a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.

It is time to turn the page. When I am President, we will wage the war that has to be won, with a comprehensive strategy with five elements: getting out of Iraq and on to the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan; developing the capabilities and partnerships we need to take out the terrorists and the world's most deadly weapons; engaging the world to dry up support for terror and extremism; restoring our values; and securing a more resilient homeland.

The first step must be getting off the wrong battlefield in Iraq, and taking the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

I introduced a plan in January that would have already started bringing our troops out of Iraq, with a goal of removing all combat brigades by March 31, 2008. If the President continues to veto this plan, then ending this war will be my first priority when I take office.

There is no military solution in Iraq. Only Iraq's leaders can settle the grievances at the heart of Iraq's civil war. We must apply pressure on them to act, and our best leverage is reducing our troop presence. And we must also do the hard and sustained diplomatic work in the region on behalf of peace and stability.

In ending the war, we must act with more wisdom than we started it. That is why my plan would maintain sufficient forces in the region to target al Qaeda within Iraq. But we must recognize that al Qaeda is not the primary source of violence in Iraq, and has little support -- not from Shia and Kurds who al Qaeda has targeted, or Sunni tribes hostile to foreigners. On the contrary, al Qaeda's appeal within Iraq is enhanced by our troop presence.

Ending the war will help isolate al Qaeda and give Iraqis the incentive and opportunity to take them out. It will also allow us to direct badly needed resources to Afghanistan. Our troops have fought valiantly there, but Iraq has deprived them of the support they need—and deserve. As a result, parts of Afghanistan are falling into the hands of the Taliban, and a mix of terrorism, drugs, and corruption threatens to overwhelm the country.

As President, I would deploy at least two additional brigades to Afghanistan to re-enforce our counter-terrorism operations and support NATO's efforts against the Taliban. As we step up our commitment, our European friends must do the same, and without the burdensome restrictions that have hampered NATO's efforts. We must also put more of an Afghan face on security by improving the training and equipping of the Afghan Army and Police, and including Afghan soldiers in U.S. and NATO operations.

We must not, however, repeat the mistakes of Iraq. The solution in Afghanistan is not just military -- it is political and economic. As President, I would increase our non-military aid by $1 billion. These resources should fund projects at the local level to impact ordinary Afghans, including the development of alternative livelihoods for poppy farmers. And we must seek better performance from the Afghan government, and support that performance through tough anti-corruption safeguards on aid, and increased international support to develop the rule of law across the country.

Above all, I will send a clear message: we will not repeat the mistake of the past, when we turned our back on Afghanistan following Soviet withdrawal. As 9/11 showed us, the security of Afghanistan and America is shared. And today, that security is most threatened by the al Qaeda and Taliban sanctuary in the tribal regions of northwest Pakistan.

More BS on Ibama's official website - http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/01/the_war_we_need_to_win.php

21 posted on 10/18/2009 12:08:30 PM PDT by Libloather (Tea Totaler, PROUD Birther, Mobster, Pro-lifer, Anti-warmer)
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(cough)BS(cough)


22 posted on 10/18/2009 12:11:13 PM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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