Posted on 10/18/2009 7:06:26 AM PDT by cc2k
ALBANY, N.Y. — President Barack Obama and former President Bill Clinton are lending their political star power to an unlikely Democratic bid to win a special congressional election in an area that's been a Republican bastion for more than a century.
The Nov. 3 contest in upstate New York's 23rd Congressional District, a sprawling, 11-county area where registered Republicans outnumber Democrats by 45,000, is shaping up as a test of a struggling GOP and a possible gauge of Obama's coattails.
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Democrats see an opening in the traditionally Republican district because Scozzafava and Hoffman are splitting the conservative vote.
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Doug Hoffman is a registered Republican. He is not part of a third-party movement.
The leadership of the Conservative Party NY do not consider themselves to be “3rd-party movement people.” They work intelligently, often cross-endorsing candidates, at times leaving their line empty, and in situations like NY23: running a superior candidate .... leaving the RINO in 3rd place where she belongs.
This is a wonderful development.
I used to live in NY, I understand their CP—and that DH is a Republican. I just hope that third partiers aren’t the ones who take a lesson from this—and I’m not sure who else will.
No, I don’t.
You can’t make this stuff up.”
Yup.
Youn just gotta laugh at the sheer brazeness of the Pravda Associalistic Press. George Orwell’s 1984 is very much with us right now..in America’s State run Media.
You couldn't be more wrong.
It's a win win for conservatives and Republicans.
it's far, far better for the Republican Party for Scozzafava to lose, than for her to win.
Having a pro-ACORN, pro cap and trade, pro gay marriage, Scozzafava sitting in the House as a Republican, would be much worse than having the 0bamacare supporting Olympia Snowe sitting in the US Senate as a Republican.
Hey, I said that it’d be good for his district and for his votes, bad if he loses.
It’s only the risk of it’s misdirecting energy into third-party challenges that is dangerous. And that could become the larger effect.
This race shows the conservative patriots what happens when you sit back and do nothing. (Dede gets the nomination.)
Then it shows them what happens when they get active. And nothing can happen if they don’t get active.
Grassroots Rules.
(of course, not all are active. This was a 5-month campaign and NYS Right-to-Life waited until Oct 5 to give an endorsement and then gave a somewhat useless endorsement. Did they even mail it to their membership? This type of mentality will be tolerated for how many more decades?)
Like “campaignPete R-CT" said in his post, Doug Hoffman is a registered Republican. He is not part of a third-party movement.
Technically the CP is a ‘third-party’, and as I said to Peter R-CT I know he’s a Republican. The danger is third partiers taking the wrong lesson from the race. But I’m repeating myself, so I’m probably not making my point with you any better than I did in my original postings.
What exactly do you suggest?
exactly.
“The Republican Party and the Conservative Party in District 23 need to sit down and work out a deal.”
How do you differentiate the Republican party (NY and RNC) from the Democrats?
What deal? The Stupid Party selected this RINO turd over a bunch of other qualified conservative candidates. If Hoffman would have been selected to run none of this crap would be happening.
Only way they can win is to have 3rd party candidates jump in. If the Republicans are going to play along and support RINOs, then people need to wise up quick and throw their vote behind someone who will truly represent them.
Scozzafava and Hoffman are splitting the conservative vote.
No, they’re splitting the Republican vote, the conservative vote, AP, is going to Hoffman!
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Electoral fusion is an arrangement where two or more political parties support a common candidate, pooling the votes for all those parties. By offering to endorse or nominate a major party’s candidate, minor parties can influence the candidate’s platform.
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1 History
1.1 United Kingdom
1.2 United States
1.2.1 New York
1.2.2 Oregon
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In 1864 the Democratic Party split into two wings, over the peace question. The War Democrats fused with the Republicans to elect a Democratic Vice President, Andrew Johnson, and re-elect a Republican President, Abraham Lincoln.
Occasionally, popular candidates for local office have succeeded in being nominated by both Republican and Democratic Parties. In 1946, prior to the current ban on fusion being enacted in that state, Republican Governor of California Earl Warren (a future Chief Justice of the United States) managed to win the nominations of the Republican, Democratic, and Progressive Parties.
In the 1991 Louisiana gubernatorial election, controversial white supremacist David Duke, running as a Republican, unexpectedly made his way to second place in the state’s jungle primary. Many prominent Republicans endorsed his Democratic opponent Edwin Edwards. While not a de jure example of electoral fusion, it was an unusual example of both major parties joining against a candidate.
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See also: Elections in New York and Qualified New York Parties
Fusion has the highest profile in New York, where it was a major weapon against Tammany Hall. Small parties significant in large part for their fused ballot lines include the Working Families Party, Right to Life Party, Liberal Party, Independence Party, and Conservative Party. Most judicial elections are won by candidates endorsed by more than two parties.
In the 2002 New York gubernatorial election, Andrew Cuomo got the New York State Liberal Party nomination, and was running against Carl McCall for the Democratic nomination. McCall had secured the Working Families Party nomination. Cuomo dropped out, and endorsed McCall. This led to the Liberal party not getting the 50,000 votes for governor that it needed for an automatic place on the ballot, and led to the Liberal party becoming defunct.
Please add this to your profile in as it could clear up some confusion in this race! J.S.
The Dems want Texas I was reading DU the other night and they were bragging how Texas is more blue now and that they should all concentrate on and campaign for Democrats running in any TX election.
They aren’t splitting the conservative vote. Hoffman is sttracting the conservatives. The Liberal appointed by the GOP is attracting the party first crowd.
As for Obama...LOL
Sorry Libs, try as you might but your pet blue dogs in Congress aren’t going to believe a race where the “Republican” and the “Conservative” carry the majority vote as a referendum endorsing your agenda. This is a battle between the GOP establishment and conservatives. You guys are just bystanders hoping to benefit from the fall out because your agenda isn’t enough to win it for you.
I doubt it. The GOP is doing a fine job all on its on nominating Liberals to run for office splitting votes. They don’t need SOROS’ bankroll.
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