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Evos have no explanation for the origin of complex, functionally specified, digitized genetic information. Interesting discussion on Shannon Information vs. Complex Specified Information (CSI). There is also a link in the article to a very interesting peer reviewed scientific paper by Dr. Stephen Myer on the same subject.


2 posted on 10/15/2009 8:22:39 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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The way evolutionists have obfuscated by relying on Shannon's conception of information is just pathetic. It shows how incompetent evolutionary theory is - a non-starter really.

For those not familiar with it, a random 'static' pattern of pixels has more 'information' according to Shannon's definition than a page of text, because it takes more effort to perfectly describe every aspect of the former than the latter. This makes it easy for evolutionists to claim that random processes can generate "information". However this "information" is biologically meaningless and offers no solution to the existence of information within a linguistic structure like DNA.

Shannon's information theory is relevant to other fields like telecommunications, but treating it as relevant to the origin of biological information is just silly.

6 posted on 10/15/2009 8:34:19 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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10 posted on 10/15/2009 8:38:17 PM PDT by ElayneJ
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There is really ONLY one logical explanation for the origin of complex, functionally specified, digitized genetic information. GOD CREATED IT — in SIX DAYS when He created the universe. Any other explanation can be torn apart.

It really irks me to know that a lot of tax dollars are wasted in places like government universities on efforts to explain “the origins of life” and the nature of the universe. It’s all there in Genesis — NO CHARGE!

It’s not just evolution we need to take out of schools. We need to address the whole scientific culture that says that we must “seek answers” to questions that we already KNOW the answer to — and spend tax dollars to do it!


15 posted on 10/15/2009 10:32:55 PM PDT by USALiberty
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Interesting discussion on Shannon Information vs. Complex Specified Information (CSI).

Both Jonathan Wells and Stephen Meyer evidently believe that Shannon Information Theory (not to mention Kolmogorov information complexity) is a theory of functional biological information. Yet it seems to me it is not: "Specified complexity" is not what Shannon deals with.

Functional biological information — Complex Specified Information (CSI) — is a higher-order type of information than Shannon. Shannon theory in biological systems essentially deals with the communication mechanisms involved in the successful transport of that higher-level CSI.

To refer to an analogy I've suggested before, Shannon is the "camel" that carries the functionally complex biological information; it is not a theory of the generation of complex, specified, functional biological information at all. Shannon theory can carry any and all messages, regardless of their type and meaning, whether they're biological or not. It is the communications medium, not the message being communicated.

To put it very crudely, specified biological complexity "sits on" the Shannon camel, which transports it where it needs to go.

At least this is my understanding, FWIW.

20 posted on 10/16/2009 10:36:32 AM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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Evos have no explanation for the origin of complex, functionally specified, digitized genetic information. Interesting discussion on Shannon Information vs. Complex Specified Information (CSI).

I found the following in Wikipedia. Is it true?

However, according to Elsberry and Shallit, "[specified complexity] has not been defined formally in any reputable peer-reviewed mathematical journal, nor (to the best of our knowledge) adopted by any researcher in information theory."[19]

49 posted on 10/18/2009 7:42:40 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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