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The Tough-Love Dictator of My Dreams
TIME ^ | Oct 2009 | Joel Stein

Posted on 10/15/2009 11:22:59 AM PDT by swarthyguy

I'm all for Liberty but I'd sacrifice some rights for a tough love leader and a law against Big Gulps.

......And people love a good dictator — or at least get over their hatred of one pretty quickly — provided that the dictator doesn't put up too many pictures of himself. We instinctively object to new forms of paternalism, but we also quickly accept them:

......President Obama should probably get a little bit dictatorial up in here. He's the only person in the U.S. unaware that we elected him dictator, giving him both houses of Congress and the major television networks whenever he wants them.

.....In fact, we need a dictator to do all kinds of things. I want a law making .....

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


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To: swarthyguy; Shermy; Eric Blair 2084; Jeff Head; Dog; marron; Cronos; livius; Cindy
I could not disagree with you VRWC people more!

I too, like the posted Stein, long for the good old days under Joe Stalin, with those exciting boom times of the 5-Year Plans! The bonding between citizens that went on with 5 families to a room, the shared sanitary facilities for the whole block, even those midnight knocks on the door, taking counter-revolutionaries to the camps in Siberia.

Boy, that was living! Every one knew what was what! Who was who! Mom, giving me her half-potato, even after I turned her in for sneaking into a church! Fast, effective, free healthcare for all, so advanced that mothers returned to mining work the afternoon after giving birth in the morning. Patriotic dads, back to work on the same machine tools that maimed them only hours before!

No need to ask yourself, "Golly, why can't we have a strong and effective, patriotic government like that?" Yes, Comrades, we can! Si se puede!

Not a day goes by that I don't thank our lucky stars that our POTUS and former British Subject, President for Life Barack Hussein Obama II, is rapidly setting up just such a government for me and you.

21 posted on 10/15/2009 11:57:16 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Congratulations Obama Voters! You are not prejudiced. Unpatriotic, maybe. Dumb definitely.)
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To: RightOnline

read the whole thing and weep......


22 posted on 10/15/2009 11:57:24 AM PDT by swarthyguy (MEAT, the new tobacco. Your right to eat meat ends where my planetary ecosystem begins.)
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To: swarthyguy

So this is how liberty dies; not with John Wayne swinging his musket in the ruins of the Alamo, but with a faggish whimper of smug approval.


23 posted on 10/15/2009 11:57:42 AM PDT by marron
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To: JohnQ1; kenavi

Satire is just so, well, Twentieth Century, dontchathink?


24 posted on 10/15/2009 12:01:02 PM PDT by swarthyguy (MEAT, the new tobacco. Your right to eat meat ends where my planetary ecosystem begins.)
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To: swarthyguy

This is the beginning of Hayeks steps on the road to serfdom.

To wit: The people tire of all the arguing and failure, and begin to long for a strong man who can just force things to go the right way.

This will indeed happen eventually.

Hayek was right.


25 posted on 10/15/2009 12:06:33 PM PDT by Pessimist (u)
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To: JohnQ1

Stein is being tongue in cheek in a very cheeky way. It’s hyperbole with a touch of humorous twist, but it absolutely exposes his desire for the government(the dear leader)to exert more control over citizens...or should I say subjects.

Stein thinks disguising his dictatorial vision by cloaking it in exaggeration and flippancy works. Not for me.


26 posted on 10/15/2009 12:07:51 PM PDT by downtownconservative (As Obama lies, liberty dies!)
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“Satire is just so, well, Twentieth Century, dontchathink?”

Allay, allay, relent, I pray thee! Lawrence wrote BAAAD satire with EEEVIL intent... maybe. I don’t choose to take offence unless it’s clearly intended. (Then I run away.)


27 posted on 10/15/2009 12:22:38 PM PDT by JohnQ1 (Pray for peace, prepare for war.)
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To: swarthyguy
I've often thought that the liberals want to go back to a, in their eyes, benevolent monarch or dictator, chosen by them, with them as powerful unelected courtiers ruling over us serfs.

Liberalism is arrogance writ large.

28 posted on 10/15/2009 12:27:13 PM PDT by RJL
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To: JohnQ1

Stein has worked for Time magazine, the LA Times and is now back with Time magazine. He is a liberal. I do not think what he wrote is satire. It’s outrageous and repugnant thinking cloaked in hyperbole. There must be a literary desciptive, but I don’t know what that would be.


29 posted on 10/15/2009 12:31:25 PM PDT by downtownconservative (As Obama lies, liberty dies!)
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To: swarthyguy

At first I thought this was satire. Then about midway through, I realized it wasn’t. Joel Stein really wants an Obama dictatorship.

Wow, just wow!


30 posted on 10/15/2009 1:48:03 PM PDT by piytar (Zero pimping propaganda on all SRM channels at once: Big Brother in 2009! NRA Lifetime Member)
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To: swarthyguy
I don't think the author is being serious. He's a liberal yet he's calling for restrictions on internet pornography and abortion. I suppose he could be cloaking his true desires through exaggeration but it's too unclear to be sure.

No matter what the author's intention, the sad thing is a lot of readers will be oblivious to any sarcasm but will still agree with everything he's written.

I wonder how many people expressing outrage over this article have their own laundry list of consensual private activity they'd like to crack down on.

31 posted on 10/15/2009 1:51:07 PM PDT by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: JohnQ1

I thought it was satire at first, too. Started waffling about midway through. The following paragraph at the end clinched it for me that Stein was serious:

“But also because instead of an actual dictator, I think what we need is to recognize that social mores require government nudges like the ones Bloomberg creates and Obama adviser Cass Sunstein advocates. We live in a connected age in which our liberties bump against one another. I know this is all easy to say since I’m not a smoker, a soda drinker or a columnist whom politicians listen to. But in an age of overwhelming choice, some dictatorial direction would help. Plus, then Obama wouldn’t have to be on TV so much.”

Why, Because if it was satire, Stein would have either gone WAY over the top here to drive the satirical point home or would have blown up his own premise. Instead, he did a mild back-off to what is apparently the actual point, with a little humor thrown in to make it more palatable. That’s not satire, that’s an attempt at persuasive writing.


32 posted on 10/15/2009 1:56:17 PM PDT by piytar (Zero pimping propaganda on all SRM channels at once: Big Brother in 2009! NRA Lifetime Member)
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To: piytar
That’s not satire, that’s an attempt at persuasive writing.

I cede the point to you.

When the greatest good on earth is to be healthy and live long, there's not much reason to oppose a benevolent dictatorship.

But if the greatest good is for mortal beings to work individually or freely associate with others to connect with the Eternal,then Government is kept in its place: impinge on human free choice as little as possible.
33 posted on 10/15/2009 3:28:45 PM PDT by kenavi (No legislation longer than the Constitution.)
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To: piytar

Yeah, I’ve been kind of (cough) hammered on my attempt to be “kind”. The jury’s vote seems to be eleven to one, so I’ll think about it for a few years, and *probably* admit that I *may* have been *slightly* mistaken. SOB! You’re all MEAN!


34 posted on 10/15/2009 3:44:29 PM PDT by JohnQ1 (Pray for peace, prepare for war.)
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To: JohnQ1

LOL, didn’t mean to be mean. Mean is saved for trolls! It’s all love (in a freeper way, of course) here!


35 posted on 10/15/2009 6:13:50 PM PDT by piytar (Zero pimping propaganda on all SRM channels at once: Big Brother in 2009! NRA Lifetime Member)
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To: kenavi

Well said. Of course, dictatorships, esp leftist ones, never stay benevolent for long. They just bring death and suffering. Too bad leftdolts just can’t seem to learn that lesson until it is far too late...


36 posted on 10/15/2009 6:17:12 PM PDT by piytar (Zero pimping propaganda on all SRM channels at once: Big Brother in 2009! NRA Lifetime Member)
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To: swarthyguy

Yikes! Cannot imagine showing it around here — blood pressure would be rising in Oklahomans.


37 posted on 10/15/2009 6:41:14 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: hoosier hick

I am not holding my breath for it to come out from those times. Bet he had the Bush Derangement Syndrome of the DemocRATs.


38 posted on 10/15/2009 6:44:14 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: LucyT; piytar

Satire or not? ...softening up the ground?

among the highlights: posts 1, 14, 21. 25, 32 (the smoking gun, in my mind)

“That’s not satire, that’s an attempt at persuasive writing.”


39 posted on 10/16/2009 6:59:37 AM PDT by thouworm
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among the highlights: posts # 1, 14, 21, 25, 32 (the smoking gun, in my mind)

“That’s not satire, that’s an attempt at persuasive writing.”

#1, 14, 21, 25, 32.

40 posted on 10/16/2009 8:40:59 AM PDT by LucyT
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