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In a fix (Anthropogenic nitrogen pollution - the next crusade!)
Chemistry World ^
| October 2009
| Staff Editorial
Posted on 10/13/2009 10:19:29 PM PDT by neverdem
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The next crusade - anthropogenic nitrogen pollution - since global warming is going bust, although it still referenced global climate change.
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posted on
10/13/2009 10:19:30 PM PDT
by
neverdem
To: neverdem
Greedy humans, wanting to eat and all.
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posted on
10/13/2009 10:22:08 PM PDT
by
eclecticEel
(The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
To: neverdem
Galloway, Erisman and colleagues are developing a web-based 'nitrogen footprint model' called N-Print, the nitrogen equivalent of the carbon footprint.
According to Galloway, even small changes can make a difference: reducing energy consumption at home, travelling less often, and eating less meat (particularly beef) and more vegetables.
Second verse, same as the first...
The goal is control over behavior...the sales pitch is the side show. Live in darkness, eat only sprouts and ride a bike, because liberals think you should. Just keep it down when you pedal by the brightly lit mansions of elected officials, where the smell of filet mignon wafts past the BMWs parked in the driveway.
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posted on
10/13/2009 10:29:35 PM PDT
by
LostInBayport
(When the riders in the cart outnumber those pulling the cart, the cart stops moving. My back hurts.)
To: neverdem
If farms can cut down on the amount of nitrogen they need for what they are growing, that’s great. That’s so much less fertilizer that has to be hauled around in the fields.
But on the main, this looks like yet another chicken little scenario.
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posted on
10/13/2009 10:30:20 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
To: neverdem
Can we put these idiot crusaders on an island somewhere so the rest of us can just try to survive in peace?
To: LostInBayport
Somebody ought to ask these greenies “did the earth err when it evolved humans?”
(Yeah I’m a creationist but the idiots have to be approached where they’re at.)
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posted on
10/13/2009 10:33:06 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
To: neverdem
Let’s worry about all the iron that will be in the blood of the billions of people in the future. There is only a 4000 mile wide ball of iron at the center of the Earth. The atmosphere is only 79 % Nitrogen so we will probably run out before the iron is depleted. And what about that asteroid screaming toward us...
Sarc/off
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posted on
10/13/2009 10:33:53 PM PDT
by
alpo
To: eclecticEel
Haber won the Nobel Prize for his work on nitrogen fixation, AND was the father of Poison Gas in WW1.
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posted on
10/13/2009 10:38:25 PM PDT
by
Kozak
(USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
To: headstamp 2
No Global Warming? OK.
Uh, hm, Climate Change! Yes, that's the ticket! No Climate Change? OK.
Uh, hm, Carbon Dioxide Poisoning! Yes, that's the ticket! Plants need carbon dioxide? OK.
Uh, hm, Too Much Nitrogen! Nitrogen causes green plant growth! Yes, that's the ticket! Green plant growth is good? OK.
Uh, hm....
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posted on
10/13/2009 10:49:07 PM PDT
by
tdscpa
To: El Gato; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; PGalt; Dianna; ...
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posted on
10/13/2009 11:19:50 PM PDT
by
neverdem
(Xin loi minh oi)
To: neverdem
Dissemination of more information to agricultural areas on soil testing would be wiser, but the thieves want to regulate more for other reasons (to kill the competition for their real bosses).
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posted on
10/13/2009 11:26:23 PM PDT
by
familyop
(cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
To: neverdem
To: neverdem
yet another microbial process called denitrification, which closes the nitrogen cycle: bacteria living in the deep soil convert reactive forms of nitrogen back into gaseous N2, which then escapes into the atmosphere. [snip]denitrifiers - makes life possible in the open oceans I, and most gardeners & farmers, innoculate legumes with rhizobia species before planting in areas where they haven't grown for a few years, and that puts them into the soil to fix nitrogen both for the legumes during the current season, and residually for later crops.
Sounds like a similar, but 'reverse', process is needed: introduce marine denitrifiers into, or upstream of, dead zones.
Not a panacaea, and not as simple as this one-step would suggest; but certainly wouldn't hurt to experiment with them.
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posted on
10/14/2009 1:10:06 AM PDT
by
ApplegateRanch
(God wants a Liberal or RINO hanging from every tree. Tar & feathers optional extras.)
To: neverdem
Great post! I heard this attack on nitrogen earlier.
When will TOTUS proclaim farming dangerous?
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posted on
10/14/2009 1:57:28 AM PDT
by
ChiMark
To: neverdem
Shakespeare was wrong, he should have written:
“The first thing we must do, is kill all the scientists,”
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posted on
10/14/2009 2:29:30 AM PDT
by
Gator113
(Obamba, Reid, Pelosi, the socialist triad.)
To: neverdem
These issues should be addressed scientifically, not by assuming they either are or are not true based on what is essentially a political agenda.
IOW, the boy who cries wolf is sometimes telling the truth.
I have no idea whether actual wolves are associated with this particular story. Only a few people in the world have the background to be able to critique it one way or the other.
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posted on
10/14/2009 2:32:21 AM PDT
by
Sherman Logan
("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
To: neverdem
No, I say there’s too damn much oxygen. For one thing, it makes steel rust. Just think how much longer things would last if we got rid of oxygen. It’s a major component of the infamous dihydrogen monoxide so many people fear.
To: Right Wing Assault
There is dihydrogen monoxide falling from the sky right now. I can see it!
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posted on
10/14/2009 4:28:29 AM PDT
by
Sender
(It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
To: neverdem
Nitrogen makes up nearly 80% of our atmosphere so reducing it will have a few problems.
Note Haber while a brilliant chemist, had a more checkered past. His nitrogen fixation process prolonged WW-I as the British naval blockage had choked off the importation of natural nitrates used to make munitions. Haber also recommended the use of poison gas in warfare and personally supervised the first field trials of a gas weapon on the Western front.
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posted on
10/14/2009 4:43:07 AM PDT
by
The Great RJ
("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
To: Kozak
Haber won the Nobel Prize for his work on nitrogen fixation, AND was the father of Poison Gas in WW1. His first wife, Clara Immerwahr, was a Ph.D. chemist herself. She committed suicide, possibly because she opposed her husband's work with poison gases.
Haber was decorated by the Kaiser and awarded the honorary rank of captain. Nevertheless, Haber was forced to flee Germany in 1933 to escape the Nazi persecution of the Jews.
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