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To: greyfoxx39
The legalistic definition of shunning you persist in clinging to does not change the fact that mormons do, in fact shun those who leave.

If you had written that some Mormons shun those who leave the Church, I would agree with you.

Of course there are Mormons who do all sorts of things that they are not supposed to do. That some Mormons persist in committing sin does not mean that other Mormons approve of sin.

The "legalistic definition" of shunning that I posted refers to a specific institutional practice of some groups (most notably the Amish). I interpreted the original question on the subject to refer to that practice, which has no LDS counterpart. I stand by the definition and my comments.

This, in fact, goes perfectly with the mindset of mormons who believe that their "right" to proselytize worldwide is sacrosanct, while in the same breath they rail at those who rebut their message.

If you encounter Mormons possessing such a mindset, feel free to call them on their inconsistencies. I am not one of them, nor do I approve of their bad behavior.

You forget that there are several former mormons on this site who have experience in exactly how much is "practiced without official sanction" among the membership.

I have not forgotten. Some of those former Mormons are well informed and inclined to be fair in their assessment of the LDS Church. I respect their opinions even if I disagree with them. Whatever our differences, I hope that God blesses all of us.

Look, the LDS Church contains all types. Most of the Mormons I know are decent but imperfect people who are trying to live in a covenant relationship with God. Often I shake my head at the things that are said and done in the Church (by the members and the leaders). Nevertheless, I remain a member because I believe God wants me to remain a member.

Covert sanction is quite different from overt and public sanction.

Indeed. It is easy to allege that "covert sanction" occurs but impossible to prove that it doesn't. Therefore, it is a perfect weapon for defamation.

81 posted on 10/15/2009 10:02:49 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: Logophile
Often I shake my head at the things that are said and done in the Church (by the members and the leaders

I guess that means they are "disagreeable"?

82 posted on 10/15/2009 10:07:03 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (ObaMugabe is turning this country into another Zimbabwe as fast as he can with ACORN's help.)
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To: Logophile
If you had written that some Mormons shun those who leave the Church, I would agree with you.

Again, I refer you to post #23...what I actually wrote was "Not an "official" practice by LDS, but shunning "apostates" is common."

"Not an "official" practice by LDS, but shunning "apostates" is common."

83 posted on 10/15/2009 10:12:38 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (ObaMugabe is turning this country into another Zimbabwe as fast as he can with ACORN's help.)
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