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To: Talisker
"The success of that extraordinary illegitimate effort is not their fault."

The fact that another point of view existed contemporaneously and was denied says it "is" their fault. They were too optimistic. That the Anti-Federalists description of what the downfall would be is so uncannily accurate proves which of the two views got it rignt.

"So the endgame is already thrown and the traitors fill their goblets with wine and vomit their laughter in glee."

Eventually, the socialists will carry things too far, and enough people WILL wake up to the danger.

"The question is, who will resist this perverse, demonic hell with the truth?"

I suspect that the "triggering event" (no pun intended) this time around will be the same as the last time---an attempt by the central government to disarm the people. The only question will be where the next "Lexington and Concord" will take place. All those folks stockpiling guns and ammo are voting "nay".

12 posted on 10/13/2009 8:07:52 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: Wonder Warthog

If there’s shooting involved, Fedzilla wins. The correct way to get out from under Fedzilla is for states to become “breakaway republics.” That’s how it has to be framed. Appeal to foreign nations for help and support. Publish a declaration of independence. I believe it could be done without firing a shot. But I don’t think the people in any state are ready for it.


14 posted on 10/13/2009 8:53:13 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: Wonder Warthog
The fact that another point of view existed contemporaneously and was denied says it "is" their fault. They were too optimistic. That the Anti-Federalists description of what the downfall would be is so uncannily accurate proves which of the two views got it rignt.

The Anti-Federalists were dead-on, I agree, but compromise with the Federalists was a necessary evil in order to create a nation, which was required for sheer size. It is simply inescapable that the country was created not only to secure internal rights, but also be able to effectively defend itself from enormously powerful foreign threats. It was an abiding pressure that never allowed the full acceptance of the Anti-Federalist freedoms, and that has plagued the country since it's inception.

But since the Anti-Federalist negative rights are truly unique in the world, I believe the Federalist restrictions are secondary to them in estimation. In other words, the success of the country is that negative rights have been able to exist at all, not that they've been under attack by Federalist expansion (which, I think, was always a given).

18 posted on 10/14/2009 3:38:25 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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