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To: Wonder Warthog
The fact that another point of view existed contemporaneously and was denied says it "is" their fault. They were too optimistic. That the Anti-Federalists description of what the downfall would be is so uncannily accurate proves which of the two views got it rignt.

The Anti-Federalists were dead-on, I agree, but compromise with the Federalists was a necessary evil in order to create a nation, which was required for sheer size. It is simply inescapable that the country was created not only to secure internal rights, but also be able to effectively defend itself from enormously powerful foreign threats. It was an abiding pressure that never allowed the full acceptance of the Anti-Federalist freedoms, and that has plagued the country since it's inception.

But since the Anti-Federalist negative rights are truly unique in the world, I believe the Federalist restrictions are secondary to them in estimation. In other words, the success of the country is that negative rights have been able to exist at all, not that they've been under attack by Federalist expansion (which, I think, was always a given).

18 posted on 10/14/2009 3:38:25 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Talisker
negative rights

Nice to encounter freepers who understand the term. Have you heard Rush Limbaugh and others (some here) braying on about Obama's use of the phrase, completely misunderstanding its meaning? True, Obama was lamenting that we only have negative rights in our Constitution (not union thug style rights), but they thought he meant "negative" as in "bad." It was embarrassing to witness.

20 posted on 10/14/2009 7:53:21 PM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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