H1N1 Possibly Caused VA Boy's Death (confirmed)

WHSV ^ | Oct 12, 009

[RDTF]

Parents of Woodbrook Elementary students have been alerted that a child had died from complications in the hospital. Nine-year-old Carson Raymond was in the third grade.

Raymond began feeling sick a week ago and his family suspected the H1N1 virus. He lost his battle with the flu Saturday at the University of Virginia Medical Center.

Raymond had a pre-existing condition that made him susceptible to the flu. He was hospitalized more than two years ago from Influenza B, the most common flu strand.

His family says the doctors at UVA worked tirelessly to try and save Raymond. They say the young boy loved baseball and had a great sense of humor.

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[HiTech RedNeck]

like a heart-lung machine without the heart

[Habibi]

“As to healthy immune system, this type of flu is thought to cause a cytokine storm, which can be more deadly in those with strong immune response than in those with a weakened immune response.”

That is thought to be why the flu pandemic of 1916-18 killed off so many 20-30 something year olds. Strong immune systems. Kids got off easy because their immune systems are still developing. Geezers, such as myself, have immune systems that are “going away”. A strong immune system is not necessarily the best path to survival, just as thoroughbreds are not the healthiest horses.

The best path to long term survival is being average. At either side of the Bell curve lies death.

[Dianna]

That’s what I’ve imagined when they state the kids have pre-existing conditions. When my son was young he had asthma, and every cold or virus was a “crisis.”

I wish they'd just state what the condition is. As parents, we would react differently hearing that the pre-existing condition was asthma vs cerebral palsy.

I haven't seen one article mentioning smoking as a factor, which by any account, it seems it should be.

[EDINVA]

Prayers for the Raymond family. The loss of a child is something none of us can equate to any other experience.

It would be interesting to learn Carson’s and other kids’ pre-existing conditions that seem to have made the difference between surviving this flu and not. I have a severely asthmatic son (adult now, praise God) who was susceptible to every germ that hit him or his school. The problem most people don’t understand with asthma is not only not being able to get oxygen into their respiratory systems, but to exhale the toxins. The meds for severe asthma, especially prednisone, cause the compromise to the immune system. It becomes a vicious cycle.

[MrEdd]

Since this strain of flue has been verifies as less lethal though more communicable than normal strains of flue, then the strain he caught is hardly a factor, now is it?

One could successfully argue a normal flue strain would have killed the child faster. Less suffering in that I suppose, but also less time for his loved ones to spend with him.

[New Yawk Minute]

I have read many, many articles on swine flu.

A few of them explained that this flu is different because it can attack deep into the respiratory system. The people are dying get a form of bacteria pneumonia...after the fever from the flu leaves.

They said, most times the flu is mild. Symptoms include coughing, sore throat, fever body aches and sometimes diarrhea.

Once the fever goes away (without being on tylenol or advil) and it returns, this is the time to immediately get medical attention, as this when this pneumonia shows up.

They put these deaths into the news, without fully explaining the circumstances surrounding it.

[MrEdd]

H1N1 does not cause a cytokine storm.

H5N1 is the currently watched strain that causes that condition. Unlike H1N1, H5N1 isn’t very communicable so far.
It is, however an avian strain and if it becomes pandemic we won’t be able to stop the spread. It has had a 60% mortality rate even with modern treatment.

[Nuc1]

Interesting. Sorry for the child. A fine looking boy. We are told that the swine flu is milder than than regular flu. At the same time we are told we must get vaccinated to protect ourselves from this dangerous bug. Then the UN says the bug didn't mutate so the bug is not dangerous. Yet empirical evidence indicates it can be quite deadly. I will just trust to providence.

[Grammy]

My granddaughter’s father has the swine flu. My granddaughter is on Tamiflu. Don’t know how bad he is, but I presume it is fairly mild.

[Nuc1]

Death is inevitable. As an ancient of geezers myself, I will take my chances.

[Habibi]

“H1N1 does not cause a cytokine storm.”

Agreed. My discussion was directed towards the cytokine storm portion of the comment. I find it interesting that a robust immune system can be too robust. It is counter-intuitive, but an actual phenomenon no less.

[RDTF]

according to the article, he survived the most common flu strain at least once. Yes I believe it does matter.

[Lee'sGhost]

“Tragedy, but has nothing to do with swine flue.”

So...if he hadn’t gotten the flu he would have anyway? That’s what the sentence above says. “Nothing” to do with swine flu.

Guess it would have been stupid for people like that to get vaccinated...they’ll all just die anyway.

Good to know.

[Taffini]

h1n1 survival bump

[latina4dubya]

But if you’re a healthy individual, and treat you symptoms properly, you’ll be fine. This is a state-run media inspired crisis, and bears no truth.

a local (to me) 23-year old teacher with no pre-existing condition died of H1N1 last month... her future in-laws attend my church... it was shocking to everyone who knew her...

[The Comedian]

Facts about H1N1:

1) It doesn't fit a standard "naturally evolved" virus genetic pattern.

2) This government lies about everything, except its Czars' desire to reduce the human population, and rule the remnant with an iron fist.

3) This flu will mutate and continue to attack the young and healthy in abnormal proportions.

4) This government will leverage a superflu epidemic at the cost of thousands, hundreds of thousands, or millions of American lives in order to increase its power, and laugh while they do it.

5) The "inoculation" medical procedure being pushed by the Obama Coup is exactly as trustworthy and tested as their economic and military procedures.

Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

[SaraJohnson]

He’s adorable and I feel so badly for his parents. God bless them all.