Posted on 10/12/2009 1:03:32 PM PDT by JohnRLott
What if you, and every member of your family, had the chance to save $4,000 each?. Would you be interested? Under the terms of what's being called "the Baucus bill" -- Washington-speak for the bill the Senate Finance Committee will vote on tomorrow -- that is how much you could save by dropping your health insurance.
People might have thought that health care reform would lead to an increase in the number of people getting health insurance coverage. Indeed, the Congressional Budget Office claims the Senate Finance Committee's health care bill will reduce the number of uninsured in 2019 by about 29 million," but the financial rewards are huge for people if they drop their insurance. Amazingly the CBO makes this prediction of 29 million more insured Americans without ever once analyzing the financial incentive for those who are already insured to drop their insurance.
Consider some numbers. . . . .
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
Me too! I’ve got a sister & brother-in-law plus nephews & families near Dallas, and a brother who lives near McAllen. Will live either place & sign up for duty!!!
3rd party coverage is the problem. Sheeple are completely divorced from the cost.
Wave an “insurance” card. No other good or service in America is treated like this.
Yeah sure, MRI, Cat scan, why the hell do I care? $20 deductible? I’ll take 10 of them. You are more expensive than every other provider? Not my problem. It’s the gubmint or insurance companies problem.
I mean, gee, if I can always waltz in later and get fully covered, preexisting conditions notwithstanding, why in the world would I pay for insurance UNLESS AND UNTIL I get sick?!?
I know Newt is genuinely expert on health care issues, and he's no idiot, so I assume there MUST be some provisos on his part that I am not aware of, but it's like he, and others with this position, don't even grasp the concept of "insurance!"
It is time to consider “Passive Resistence”. Out right Revolt will come later. We need to teach Saul Alinski a lesson.
When our old and inferm are threatened, we WILL respond.
You get a paycheck, you get social security, you get a pension??? They will find you. Just ask anyone behind on child support or taxes. You clear say 800 a week, and one day you get a check for 300, and a nice cute note from Obama saying you still owe ______ and we will deduct until it is paid.....they'll get their fines. Like Rush and others say, "Its all their(gov) money, they just let you keep what they(gov) think you should get.
They don't need to pound on any doors.
People need to vote more carefully. This ridiculous bill could never see the light of day if there were 5 or 10 fewer radical Dem’s in the Senate. Do you all like Barbara Boxer and Al Franken deciding how our govt should be run?
And the politicians will be rewarded handsomely as well. The fines for not having insurance will be sent to THEM.
This has nothing to do with health care. The grasshoppers have outnumbered the ants, and the left needs money FAST, from somewhere, from someone. The democrat base is once again demanding to be fed. Health care is a left wing politicians gold mine.
This is not about you. This is not about me. This is not about the average American. This is about power and privilege for the politicians. Everything they do is for THEIR own good. They need that health care money to throw at their base, and they'll find a way to steal it one way or another.
Notice how none of this affects the left wing welfare base in any way. It only hurts the tax paying right wing slaves.
The point of all this is exactly as you say, P-M. It is to provide another welfare program. With that they have another constituency, and they consolidate an old constituency. They must call it “insurance” though, for they hope to rope in lower middle income independents and some quasi-conservatives. These folks would still be insulted if you claimed they were on welfare.
The other constituency targeted is the illegal community. Amnesty is the key, and Obama’s majority in both houses makes an illegal amnesty bill inevitable. And someone tell me how this wouldn’t encourage another 20 million to cross the border. A minimum wage job, welfare, to include health care, is just across the border.
Not so subtle, not so devious, but enough to have plausible deniability.
And then the socialist program will march forward unimpeded.
The most important election in the history of the republic will be 2010. The most important races will be in the Senate, and especially in any conservative primaries. Rinos and liberal, supposedly on our side, must be removed in the primaries.
BTW, since Obama is courting the Muslim world, the best defense against gays in the military should include huge broadcasts of his gay friendliness to the Muslim world.
This health care monstrosity must be defeated NOW - in 2009.
Even if the GOP retakes the House next year, any reforms that they enact will be VETOED by Obama in 2011.
Call, call, call your Senators today. Do not waste time with emails — they do not read them.
TEL 202-224-3121 = Capitol Hill switchboard.
Everyone who is deathly ill with no health insurance will rush to get insurance... costing the insurance companies money which they will pass along to everyone else in the form of higher premiums.
Then you got another group of people that only get insurance in case something horrible happens... but now that they know they can get insurance after the fact, they will gladly drop their current plans and pockets the savings knowing that if any thing bad unexpected bad happens they can rush and and get it then!
This is NOT ROCKET SCIENCE! This is simple stuff to figure this out, why are they pushing a plan that will raise cost and raise the number of uninsured?
This bill will cause 25% unemployment.
Knocking on doors, that's real 18th c technology. Will you be ready with your musket?
Exactly. A keystroke here, a keystroke there. Numbers in your column become numbers in their column. After they take those numbers, right under your nose, you go to the store for food and swipe your card and voila, they’ve swiped your funds. On that day, prison might look real good because it’s got food and a little heat. You’ll be out of luck because what it doesn’t have is a spare bed for you. Take a number!
Serving Citizen 196144666 !
No.
You're thinking criminal law. Why take it to such...extreeems? This is merely a civil matter. Administrative procedures. Strictly by the book, regulations, quite proper and legitimate. Now bend over.
Not really. You haven’t considered the fact that those who have pre-existing conditions and take daily medications and see doctors more frequently will not have the luxury of waiting until an emergency to get health insurance.
They are more likely going to lose the private insurance that they now have and be forced to sign up for the government plan immediately. Diabetics for example require daily medications and frequent lab work. So in essence the irresponsible people that have rare diseases or diabetes will be paying right from the get go and the younger, healthier more responsible people can wait until they have a medical emergency.
If Congress is going to make it mandatory for people to buy insurance or fine them if they don’t, why don’t we make housing mandatory and fine people who don’t spend their money on rent or a mortgage?
Wouldn’t that solve homelessness over night?
Make voting mandatory?
I continue to be astounded; a hue a cry has not arisen regarding felony imprisonment for failure to buy health insurance. If it’s socially acceptable today (not to purchase health insurance), why should it be a felony after the Baucus bill passes? This is government at its most tyrannical.
That comes if you don't buy insurance AND don't pay the fine. It is also a misdemeanor.
Baucus Bill Provides for $25,000 Fine and 1-Year in Jail For Not Buying Health Insurance
"..But the legislation includes an individual mandate penalty that could go as high as $1,900. Thomas Barthold, chief of staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation, told senators that the IRS could take legal action against those who fail to pay the mandate penalty.
In a handwritten note to Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., Barthold said violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty..."
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