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Guns quit on US troops during intense battle in Afghanistan
Washington Examiner ^
| Oct. 12, 2009
| Richard Lardner
Posted on 10/12/2009 7:09:21 AM PDT by re_tail20
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posted on
10/12/2009 7:09:21 AM PDT
by
re_tail20
To: re_tail20
ive read several reports that the m4 jams up, like 8 times more than new models. Why can’t they come up with a system that NEVER jam up. This is life and death. Having it jam up every 15k round and require it constantly cleaned is ridiculous
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posted on
10/12/2009 7:15:25 AM PDT
by
4rcane
To: 4rcane
This will surely bring up a discussion of the relative reliability of piston versus direct impingment gas systems at high temps and high rep rates.
To: 4rcane
Why cant they come up with a system that NEVER jam up. It's been done - its called the AK-47.
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posted on
10/12/2009 7:18:12 AM PDT
by
Iron Munro
(I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take a beating.)
To: 4rcane
There are more factors...how many rounds have been put through these guns? When were they last cleaned? Was the ammo “bad” and had problems ejecting?
Long story short....with good ammo, proper cleaning and NEW weapons jams are almost a non-issue. Will guns jam, yes. Should this type of problem happen? No it should not...is it impossible? No.
Bottom line...get these guys what they need and replace their weapons in reasonable amount of time!
To: re_tail20
This sounds like the redux of the original M-16 story from Vietnam. I’m wondering how much is valid and how much is from the leftist playbook?
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posted on
10/12/2009 7:20:41 AM PDT
by
pfflier
To: Iron Munro
“It’s been done - its called the AK-47.”
Bears repeating.
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posted on
10/12/2009 7:20:52 AM PDT
by
elpinta
(Change: check. Hope: not so much.)
To: re_tail20
Where are these unreliable weapons being manufactured? China???
And if manufactured in the U.S., how many of the weapons’ components are manufactured in China or some other “unfriendly” country???
Where are all the D.O.D. inspectors??? Have inspection responsibilities that are designed to make sure that weapons manufacturers are conforming to the standards spelled out in their government contracts been “outsourced” to private entities???
One can understand the need on the part of the government
to save a buck.....but if it is at the expense of the safety of our sons and daughters serving overseas, someone needs to start inspecting the “inspectors!!!” PDQ!
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posted on
10/12/2009 7:21:32 AM PDT
by
Sons of Union Vets
(No taxation without representation!)
To: Pearls Before Swine
Why aren't they picking up the fallen AK's and ammo?
I never understood that ... all the cache's we've found, and we destroy them.
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posted on
10/12/2009 7:21:38 AM PDT
by
knarf
(I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
To: re_tail20
Undoubtedly far too many big money congressional contributors involved in the manufacture/procurement of these undependable weapons to permit a change OR investigation. Better several dead marines than Jack Murtha losing a few bucks.
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posted on
10/12/2009 7:21:47 AM PDT
by
Oldpuppymax
(AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
To: elpinta
Its been done - its called the AK-47.
Even worse, Bushmaster has a replacement set of innards for the M-16/AR platform that replicates the reliability and clean firing-ness of the AK. Pull out the current gas system, drop the bushmaster in, and you've got the best of both worlds.
To: knarf
Why aren't they picking up the fallen AK's and ammo? I never understood that ... all the cache's we've found, and we destroy them.Because it's not in the manual.
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posted on
10/12/2009 7:25:02 AM PDT
by
raybbr
(It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
To: re_tail20
FN SCAR....There, that’ll fix it
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posted on
10/12/2009 7:29:14 AM PDT
by
PAMadMax
(Islam is a disease....)
To: Pearls Before Swine
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posted on
10/12/2009 7:31:03 AM PDT
by
mbs6
To: re_tail20
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posted on
10/12/2009 7:34:19 AM PDT
by
PAMadMax
(Islam is a disease....)
To: pfflier
This sounds like the redux of the original M-16 story from Vietnam. Im wondering how much is valid and how much is from the leftist playbook?This sounds like the redux of the original M-16 story
from Vietnam. Im wondering how much is valid and how
much is from the leftist playbook?
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posted on
10/12/2009 7:34:58 AM PDT
by
Uri’el-2012
(Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
To: Oldpuppymax
Undoubtedly far too many big money congressional contributors involved in the manufacture/procurement of these undependable weapons to permit a change OR investigation. Better several dead marines than Jack Murtha losing a few bucks. For forty years our military has been outgunned on the front lines because they are saddled with weapons that were selected for political reasons as much or more than performance in combat.
Reading the well documented history of the Vietnam era change from the M-14 to the M-16 will enrage you and bring tears to your eyes.
Many men died needlessly as politicians and lobbyists manuevered to defend their decision to purchase the M-16 by discrediting men on the front lines.
This is just the latest chapter in that story.
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posted on
10/12/2009 7:35:09 AM PDT
by
Iron Munro
(I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take a beating.)
To: re_tail20
Many of the troops are oiling their weapons after cleaning. This is a desert environment. The weapons needs cleaning, but it must be kept free of oil or dust will gravitate to the operating parts like stink on feces.
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posted on
10/12/2009 7:35:10 AM PDT
by
Sarajevo
(You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
To: knarf
I think the Israeli Tavor allow this. Tavor uses NATO and AK ammos. Its a good idea. I wonder how Tavor stack up against the M4. Israel have a good reputation in picking the best
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posted on
10/12/2009 7:35:43 AM PDT
by
4rcane
To: re_tail20
..from wiki
In the fall of 2007, the Army tested the M4 against three other carbines in "sandstorm conditions" at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland: the Heckler & Koch XM8 rifle, Fabrique Nationale de Herstal SOF Combat Assault Rifle (SCAR) and the Heckler & Koch HK416. Ten of each type of rifle were used to fire 6,000 rounds each, for a total of 60,000 rounds per rifle type.[7] The M4 suffered far more stoppages than its competitors: 882 stoppages, 19 requiring an armorer to fix. The XM8 had the fewest stoppages, 116 minor stoppages and 11 major ones, followed by the FN SCAR with 226 stoppages and the HK416 with 233.[8][9] The Army was quick to point out that even with 863 minor stoppagestermed "class one" stoppages which require 10 seconds or less to clear and "class two" stoppages which require more than ten seconds to clearthe M4 functioned well, with over 98 percent of the 60,000 total rounds firing without a problem. The Army said it planned to improve the M4 with a new cold-hammer-forged barrel to give longer life and more reliable magazines to reduce the stoppages. Magazine failures caused 239 of the M4's 882 failures. Army officials said the new magazines could be combat-ready by spring if testing went well
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posted on
10/12/2009 7:37:01 AM PDT
by
WalterSkinner
( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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