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New Way to Tap Gas May Expand Global Supplies
NY Times ^
| October 10, 2009
| CLIFFORD KRAUSS
Posted on 10/10/2009 9:04:41 PM PDT by neverdem
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More extensive use of natural gas could aid in reducing global warming, because gas produces fewer emissions of greenhouse gases than either oil or coal.Since they all produce CO2, does anybody knows the basis of this claim?
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posted on
10/10/2009 9:04:42 PM PDT
by
neverdem
To: neverdem
What’s most important is that we forbid ourselves to use this method of tapping nat gas while showing the rest of the world how to do it. For the children.
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posted on
10/10/2009 9:06:17 PM PDT
by
Attention Surplus Disorder
(It's better to give a Ford to the Kidney Foundation than a kidney to the Ford Foundation.)
To: neverdem
(Units of energy usefully extracted) / (tons of CO2 emitted) sounds like one such measure.
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posted on
10/10/2009 9:08:51 PM PDT
by
sionnsar
(IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
To: neverdem
“Italian and Norwegian oil engineers and geologists have arrived in Texas, Oklahoma and Pennsylvania to learn how to extract gas from layers of a black rock called shale.”
And the idiots here in NY have a moratorium on it until “further environmental study”.
The envirolunatics will have us living in caves in the dark and lighting farts to keep warm.
To: neverdem
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posted on
10/10/2009 9:10:18 PM PDT
by
JRios1968
(The real first rule of Fight Club: don't invite Chuck Norris...EVER)
To: neverdem
The good news never seems to quit. I am happy that some elements of my energy-related talks from 3 years ago can be shelved for a long time to come — so long as politics doesn’t mess things up.
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posted on
10/10/2009 9:10:34 PM PDT
by
sionnsar
(IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Much like allowing Cuba and China to drill off the Florida coast,
and not the US.
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posted on
10/10/2009 9:11:00 PM PDT
by
MaxMax
(Obama can't play in the Olympic reindeer games)
To: neverdem
As usual, the NYT don't know what they are talking about. Technology to extract natural gas from shale has been around for a while and it has improved greatly over the last 15 years. The main barriers to extracting natural gas from shale have been environmentalists who have worked to stop many projects in the US and delay others.
Natural gas from shale is very plentiful and can be produced for less than 5% the cost of wind and solar. It is also less costly than ethanol. However, it has been ignored and even discouraged by politicians and policy makers in Washington.
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posted on
10/10/2009 9:16:58 PM PDT
by
detective
To: neverdem
“Since they all produce CO2, does anybody knows the basis of this claim?”
Natural gas produces far less carbon(CO2) per btu when burned than coal and less than #2 and #6 fuel oil.
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posted on
10/10/2009 9:20:38 PM PDT
by
detective
To: neverdem
"Since they all produce CO2, does anybody know the basis of this claim?"
Perhaps at this point, the question should be to what degree if any in the over all complex physics involved does CO2 really play even in the least if any role in heat retention in the lower atmosphere, that then somehow is suggested to be transfered into large bodies of water as well as land masses and thereby heat the earth surface areas.
I refer only to the content of CO2 as sparsely dispersed within the total mix of gases and water mass that surrounds our earth.
But of course Norm, I sense you are being a bit sarcastic regarding your question.
I have to hit the rack at this point. Do have a great upcoming day.
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posted on
10/10/2009 9:22:16 PM PDT
by
Marine_Uncle
(I'll go back to when I joined this great site back in 2005....Honor must be earned....)
To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Enviros won’t like this. Our future is in windmills and solar. We can’t explore for more fossil fuels. They are evil aren’t they? Al Gore said people should demonstrate to keep building coal fired power plants.
To: neverdem
Whoops ND! I’m shot! Eyes are a bit bleary, addressed you as if you where NormsRevenge by accident. Apology offered.
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posted on
10/10/2009 9:26:27 PM PDT
by
Marine_Uncle
(I'll go back to when I joined this great site back in 2005....Honor must be earned....)
To: headstamp 2
” lighting farts to keep warm”
h
Hey I believe there will no flatulence in the future.
Dems are going to tax it out of existence
To: neverdem
Different hydrocarbons have differing quantities of Carbon and Hydrogen relative to each other, and thus different reaction products with MORE or LESS CO2 in proportion.
Methane is CH4 for example, and burns to form one CO2 and two H2O plus 891kj
Butanol is C4H9OH and burns to form four CO2 plus five H2O plus 2670 kj
So ROUGHLY it supplies 3X more energy but 4X more CO2 and only 2.5X more H2O.
SO SOME IDIOTS might say natural gas makes less CO2 and thus is “better” and not as bad for “global warning aka ACC”
BUT -—> newsflash -—> Water Vapor H2O is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2 is BY FAR!
But horrors how can pure water be bad compared to that ugly carbon...????
Oh wait a minute - after all, we ARE CARBON-based life forms according to space aliens.
So isn’t carbon a good thing? Carbon and Water (hydrogen and oxygen actually) are the essential elements of life.
OH it is all so confusing....
And it is cool today, snowing in Denver - where is MY warming warning when I need it.
To: neverdem
I thought this was going to be about tapping the methane from cows!
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posted on
10/10/2009 9:37:32 PM PDT
by
SouthTexas
(The IOC is racist!)
To: SouthTexas
Don’t you mean tipping the methane from cows?
To: neverdem
Hey .. We have Plenty of GAS we can tap and it’s all coming out of Washington.
To: muffaletaman
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posted on
10/10/2009 9:43:32 PM PDT
by
SouthTexas
(The IOC is racist!)
To: neverdem
Since they all produce CO2, does anybody knows the basis of this claim? Of any hydrocarbon fuel, methane has the highest ratio of hydrogen to carbon in its molecules.
Burning coal produces 100% CO2, burning liquid hydrocarbons produces slightly more H2O than CO2, while burning methane CH4 produces twice as much water as CO2 for roughly the same amount of energy.
Please ignore the fact that water vapor is a global warming gas too...
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posted on
10/10/2009 10:00:00 PM PDT
by
null and void
(We are now in day 261 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
To: Attention Surplus Disorder
It is a continuation of the self-flagellation of Obama regarding the US. We must first die as a nation in every way so that others can be lifted up to show we care more about peace, blah, blah...GAG ME WITH A SPOON, already.
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posted on
10/10/2009 10:02:18 PM PDT
by
Semperfiwife
(The US needs major league mental health care...our leaders are NUTS!!!)
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