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To: presidio9

Christianity is why the West cannot kick the socialist habit.

Christianity demonizes worldliness, riches, and achievement, while extolling deprivation, humiliation, and sacrifices for causes “greater than self.” Socialists take the Christians up on this and do so without hypocrisy.

McCain and Palin spent 2008 chanting “Country First.” The Democrats agreed, and are now nationalizing everything. There’s a book out there titled “Jesus Rode a Donkey” — on the economic issues, I don’t have a counter-reply. Republicans sympathetic to freedom act as if Jesus refused the cross, proclaiming “hell no, go die for your own damn sins!”

Yup. Look forward to bigger and badder Marxists in our future. At least there is hope for the Indians and Chinese— the Hindus worship Lakshmi, the goddess of wealth, while the Chinese now believe that “to get rich is glorious.”


15 posted on 10/08/2009 2:08:27 PM PDT by JHBowden (Keep the Change!)
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To: JHBowden

Christianity is what made the West in the first place.


17 posted on 10/08/2009 2:10:52 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: JHBowden
Christianity demonizes worldliness, riches, and achievement, while extolling deprivation, humiliation, and sacrifices for causes “greater than self.”

This is a twisted reading of the scriptures.

Not that I disagree with your point that the gospel has been used - misinterpreted, IMO - for personal gain. That is painfully obvious.

21 posted on 10/08/2009 2:15:40 PM PDT by skeeter (Pterocarya fraxinifolia)
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To: JHBowden
Christianity is why the West cannot kick the socialist habit.

White people are why the West cannot kick the socialist habit. I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

25 posted on 10/08/2009 2:18:48 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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To: JHBowden
Christianity demonizes worldliness, riches, and achievement, while extolling deprivation, humiliation, and sacrifices for causes “greater than self.” Socialists take the Christians up on this and do so without hypocrisy

What B$, Catholics maybe, but not most Protestants. And of course as I stated elsewhere at least one Mormon I know.

43 posted on 10/08/2009 2:43:45 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: JHBowden

Love your post and think you are an extremely smart guy. As a born again Christian I’d like to suggest you continue your studies into the Bible and learn to ‘Rightly devide the truth. 2 Timothy, 2,15.

The books and passages of the Bible are devided and pertain to times and peoples. This is the single largest mistake made by all of us is that we apply all words to us and or “our” times and races. Not so.

I myself am at best a simpleton. You have a God given gift in your brain. I simply ask, that in your free time study the book with the “division of times and peoples intended”.


56 posted on 10/08/2009 4:36:18 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: JHBowden; liberty or death; mountn man; Campion; skeeter; presidio9; Anitius Severinus Boethius; ...
"Christianity is why the West cannot kick the socialist habit"

Utter nonsense! Christianity is why there IS a west. Some misguided and some down right evil folks use out-of-context pull quotes from God's word to further their dark desires. No doubt about that. And nothing new either. From Genesis to The Revelation such strategy has always been Satan's modus operandi. It's quite difficult to miss that, actually, for those who've read His word.


"At least there is hope for the...Chinese"

That's quite true. Christianity is on the rise there and on the wane here. Already they top America in a Christian head count. Let's pray they eventually match our percentages.


"...a rich man can’t get into heaven..."

Michael Moore could not have misstated that better himself.


"Read the parable of the young rich man, Matthew 19:16-28"

Reading is one thing. Understanding is another. Especially when it comes to parables.

I won't give a whole sermon here, but let me quickly explain this portion of your mentioned parable:

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."

Mountn man is on the right track when he mentions that this does not mean it is impossible for a rich guy to make it in. And liberty or death is quite helpful in pointing out that one needs to "rightly divide" God's word.

To understand the true meaning of this quote, one must realize that Christ was utilizing a proverb common in the East at the time. The English translation of the ancient Greek does not make it clear that the camel is "laden" with its burden (earthly goods). Nor does it make clear that the "eye of the needle" is a reference to the smaller gate which most walled cities of the time had and which was the only way to get in at times when the larger gates were closed to keep out the undesirables (at night, etc.). Thus the camel had to be relieved of its burden to get through the smaller passage. Meaning rich guys who are TOO attached to their money need to be unburdened of such attachment before being acceptable.

If Christ's parables were to be understood as literal instruction in the way that you are misunderstanding the parable of the rich man, then I would respond with Christ's parable of the talents a few chapters later:

There Christ tells of three servants given various amounts of talents (money in the literal sense) to care for while the Master was away. Two servants "went and traded" (like good capitalists) doubling their money. One simply buried it. When the Master returned, He was so pissed at the third guy that He called him "wicked and slothful" and chided that he should have at least put the money in the bank to earn interest. Then the Master proceeded to take the money from that dolt and give it to the guy with the MOST money! Saying:

"For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath."

OUCH!!!

To read this as you've read the prior parable then we should be taxing the poor and subsidizing the rich. But, of course, that would be to completely misunderstand Christ's meaning.

There were a number of reasons Christ sometimes spoke in parables. I can expound on them if anyone desires that knowledge who doesn't currently possess it.

I'm glad you are reading God's word. Keep it up and pray for understanding. But suffice it to say, you've missed the mark on the parable of the rich man. I pray you don't use the same reasoning when you get a few parables further into Matthew or you'll be convinced that only sheep get into heaven!

Finally, if you believe that rich guys can't get into heaven then where do you think Christ's wealthy ancestors such as God's hand-picked King David, his immensely wealthy son Solomon, Christ's adoptive father Joseph and the other goodly rich folk mentioned in His word are hanging out today?

Earthly riches are a blessing to those who can handle it just as this wealthy nation has been a blessing to the world in many ways.

60 posted on 10/08/2009 6:37:16 PM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: JHBowden

What you “know” about Christianity could fill an adult diaper.


63 posted on 10/08/2009 8:52:09 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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