Posted on 10/06/2009 5:53:46 AM PDT by decimon
Needed: A 'clean line' to determine lawfulness
"You don't need to know. You can't know." That's what Kathy Norris, a 60-year-old grandmother of eight, was told when she tried to ask court officials why, the day before, federal agents had subjected her home to a furious search.
The agents who spent half a day ransacking Mrs. Norris' longtime home in Spring, Texas, answered no questions while they emptied file cabinets, pulled books off shelves, rifled through drawers and closets, and threw the contents on the floor.
The six agents, wearing SWAT gear and carrying weapons, were with - get this- the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.
Kathy and George Norris lived under the specter of a covert government investigation for almost six months before the government unsealed a secret indictment and revealed why the Fish and Wildlife Service had treated their family home as if it were a training base for suspected terrorists. Orchids.
That's right. Orchids.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
Do you have any more info on that one? State, year, etc.? Thanks.
And the recent case mentioned on FOX of the judge who gave a convicted pedophile probation only as his sentence.
"The six agents, wearing SWAT gear and carrying weapons..."
Do we really need to be told that cops carry guns? I hate this type of scare-tactic journalism. That being said, this article frightens me. I am sure there is more to it, but...
Is everyone aware that the agents of the following Federal departments carry guns? BATFE, Treasury, Fish & Wildlife, IRS, Labor, Interior, Environmental Protection, Transportation, and Agriculture.
Department of AGRICULTURE? Yes, Agriculture.
One of these days, some bunch of jack-booted thugs from Agriculture or BATF is going to invade the wrong innocent-man's house, as detailed in Ross's book. That man is going to fight back mercilessly, killing the invaders of his home in self-defense. And he is going to touch off a nation-wide revolt against the Federal government's illegitimate arrogation of power to itself.
Watch it. It WILL happen. And soon.
Big Brother is Watching You.
America -- a great idea, didn't last.
F’ggovernment is truly one word!
The Jury is the final determiner of the law and juries have an intrinsic right to determine that a law ought not to be enforced by finding a person who has violated that law to be not guilty.
This site explains it much better: Fully Informed Jury Association
Exactly the reason I gave up a hobby that I really enjoyed. I began making home-made soap several years ago, sold some, made some craft shows, but mostly just used it and gave it as gifts. I made some really nice baskets for friends and even did some guest gifts for showers and weddings. Then the federal government decided that the lye I used is also used in the manufacture of meth. You can no longer buy lye over the counter. You can buy small quantities by mail, but it is subject to hazardous material shipping restrictions. The whole process is expensive and frankly you worry about being on a watch list somewhere. I just used the last of my soaps and had to purchase soap at Walmart.. It is not the same.
Bingo !
I think it is telling how Fish & Wildlife Agents, investigating possible paperwork mistakes related to shipments of orchids show up in SWAT gear.
It helps highlight the overblown sense of importance that these agents have - the need to show up and instil shear terror by those being charged with infractions!
I can understand SWAT gear when police are trying to protect the general public against an armed and dangerous criminal ....but I can hardly see ANY justification for anything more aggressive than a single agent, unarmed, knocking on the door of these “perps” and politely inquiring about various potential improper activites. Anything more serious should result in firing of all agents on excessive use of force!!!
Thanks! I had no idea that the jury wielded more power than the judge. If the judge disagrees can he override the jury, or is it a done deal.
Government schools operated by communists.
Will have to look for a source. Its listed on those sites that outline the abuse of the SWAT teams.
What a shame, you would think that they would put a warning on the lye or something. Why would they not advise us that the purchase of this particular item could be hazardous to your freedom?
Let’s be reasonable ladies and gentlemen. Before we go overboard about “over-criminalization”, we ought to keep in mind the time-honored precedent that
IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE!
60,000+ pages of new and proposed laws and regulation are printed in the Federal Register each year for the convenience of the public, with updates on a nearly daily basis. Everything is placed at the public’s fingertips to keep abreast of our federal government’s continuing program to regulate America into a perfect social paradise. It is a simple matter of sitting down after dinner each night and reading through 150 odd pages to see if anything new might apply to you.
How hard can it be?
someone made a bad call or there was some sort of red flag that perked someone's ears as to why they used the SWAT team.
and for this guy to ultimately have gone to jail tells me that he might have done something really wrong. there are just too many checks and balances in the system between prosecutors, judges, defense lawyers, appeals, plea bargains, etc...
i would like to hear the gov'ts argument.
Naturally she was upset, but what really got her was that her prize import German Shepard came within an eyelash of getting shot.
"You don't need to know. You can't know."
But you're right. I would love to hear the argument.
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