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Posted on 10/05/2009 11:36:54 AM PDT by meandog
Health care is in the news — but you have to wonder where all the Christians are. This is one of the biggest issues facing our country and our people, yet no one seems to be bringing a Christian voice or tone to that debate. Have you noticed?
During the presidential campaign, there was much talk about the 50 million or so who have no health care insurance, many of whom who forgo care altogether and then wind up in emergency rooms with more serious, more fully developed illnesses than would have been the case had they sought preventive care. There seemed to be considerable outrage that the greatest nation in the world would allow one-sixth of its people to be without access to care. What happened to "no red states or blue states, but rather the United States?" Political partisanship threatens to short-circuit any progress on providing health care to all.
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Amen to that!
Sorry, my hypo stream was running low. I understand your answer, thanks
I understand. There is no reason to debate Biblical things, when one party doesn’t believe in the Bibles as the other does.
I said I have read it. It is not a continuing thing. Like other religious tomes, I read some, then I go on to other subjects.
Sorry, forgot to answer. The reason I read these religious books, is to see if there is anything that warrants studying further, or just something that makes me pause and think.
As you must know by now, I certainly can’t point anything out to you in scripture.
With my tax money, yes. That is what all those govt people get paid for, so I let them do their work with my tax money. As for other contributions, I can of course, direct them where I want.
How could I really know what Jesus would ask me to do? I do know what I am doing, is what God has designed me to do, otherwise, I believe I’d be doing something different. My views are not from a Christian perspective.
Why does that seem odd?
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Vicky? Really? Really??
I’ve found that to be true. :)
So, you are not a Christian? (I think that’s what you just said).
If you’re not a Christian, certainly, the Bible would mean nothing to you, other than maybe some nice things to think about. And of course, that certainly would give me insight into why you are saying what you’re saying.
Of course, my perspective would be completely different from yours, and of course, your opinion on what Christians should do is moot.
It seems odd, because God knew this was going to happen, and He let the bad guy’s choice take an innocent life, and He didn’t intervene.
Of course, but being moot doesn’t mean one cannot discuss it. I would think that anyone’s opinion of what another should do would be moot also, yet we certainly do like to give our opinions on what others should do.
Actually, the point is, if you’re not a Christian, your opinion of how God directs Christians is immaterial. I’m sure you are welcome to have them, but you won’t find Christians looking to you for input.
But why should God intervene?
Several points to consider:
(1) If God intervened to prevent evil consequences, then we would not be free in any meaningful sense. (We also would not learn much from our experiences.) Freedom to choose entails evil consequences as well as good ones.
(2) When we say we have free will, that does not mean we are free to do anything we might wish to do. We are still subject to the constraints imposed by nature: I may wish to fly like a bird, but cannot do so. We are also subject to the consequences of the choices that we and other people make: if someone strikes me in the nose, I am not free to wish away the pain.
(3) Sooner or later, everybody dies. Apparently death is a part of God's plan for us, and can only be postponed, not avoided entirely. No doubt God would prefer that innocents not suffer or die because of the evil choices of others; but I believe he has accounted for such occurrences in his plan.
It is almost always a consequence of choices. Yes. Most uninsured, very possibly all, have had the opportunity to secure the means to buy health insurance if they wanted it, but chose to act differently. Either you believe people have choices or you don't.
Why should my not being a Christian make my opinion immaterial? Do you have opinions about things that you are not? Do you have an opinion about Islam, liberalism, etc? Do you consider them immaterial?
I’m just asking questions, I don’t understand what you fear from them.
Because He is a loving God? Why should He allow the evil doers their choice, when victims call to Him to be saved? I understand death, but He has intervened before, why not all the time, when it comes to suffering and agony at the hands of another human?
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