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Procter & Gamble workers fight firing over lewd and off-color e-mails
The Times-Tribune (Scranton, PA) ^ | 10/3/09 | Joe McDonald

Posted on 10/03/2009 7:24:08 AM PDT by Born Conservative

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1 posted on 10/03/2009 7:24:09 AM PDT by Born Conservative
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To: Born Conservative

work ethic or jerk ethic


2 posted on 10/03/2009 7:28:29 AM PDT by mefistofelerevised
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To: Born Conservative

You company email is NEVER Private.


3 posted on 10/03/2009 7:28:52 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom

It’s never private, and it’s also the sole property of the company. I only use mine for work related business.


4 posted on 10/03/2009 7:29:59 AM PDT by Born Conservative ("I'm a fan of disruptors" - Nancy Pelosi)
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To: Born Conservative

It’s easy to get drawin into such things.

Coworkers are mostly considered ‘friends’, so humorous e-mails and off-color commentary can come easily....especially if you do this at home with non-work friends.

The policies for use of e-mail are in place to protect companies from unscupulous lawsuits made by co-workers looking to get rich.

Trust me, if the P&G workers were only warned on this, someone would have come forward to say they were “offended” and would start a lawsuit.


5 posted on 10/03/2009 7:30:58 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: netmilsmom
You company email is NEVER Private.

True! But, I wonder how many were fired for sending emails that were colorful/anti President Bush.

6 posted on 10/03/2009 7:32:20 AM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 ( I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! The "other" Jim Thompson)
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To: Born Conservative

Typical. Act stupid and try to get away with it.
These fools should run for Congress. They’re dumb enough.


7 posted on 10/03/2009 7:32:46 AM PDT by donhunt ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Born Conservative

That is a really good move.
With private email, Facebook, MySpace and twitter, why would anyone use work email for private things?


8 posted on 10/03/2009 7:34:13 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Born Conservative

One of the electricians who got fired there now works for the company I do (a competing paper company). Nice guy, excellent electrician. Their loss is our gain. We have guys who have done far worse and barely got a slap on the wrist, but being a union shop doesn’t hurt.


9 posted on 10/03/2009 7:35:32 AM PDT by RAO1125 (Revolution's are for Marxists. We need a Constitutional Restoration)
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To: Born Conservative
Geeze...anyone with an IQ over 50 knows that when you work for a large corporation you must *always* be *very* careful of what you put onto paper...or onto a computer keyboard.
10 posted on 10/03/2009 7:37:41 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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What does one do when all the ‘off color’ stuff comes from the President of the company?


11 posted on 10/03/2009 7:37:45 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Born Conservative
Personal usage of company email is pretty much universal. You should see some of the emails I've gotten from execs...

Actions like this are just a way to lay people off without severance or unemployment compensation.

There should be a simple standard applied to this sort of thing, if only a select few get fired for personal usage, then they should get the unemployment.
12 posted on 10/03/2009 7:39:56 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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What does one do when all the ‘off color’ stuff comes from the President of the company?

You make a hard copy of it for "future reference" and you delete the message. You never, never forward it.

13 posted on 10/03/2009 7:40:33 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ("Prosperity is just around the corner." Herbert Hoover, 1932)
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To: Lurker

Or David Letterman...


14 posted on 10/03/2009 7:41:20 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Born Conservative

This stuff is serious.
I know someone who was fired just for receiving offensive emails and not deleting them. The company did a review of all computers, the email was on this guy’s computer. He was let go.
He got a lawyer and eventually got a settlement from the company years later.
I know a woman who was fired for having offensive emails on her computer while she was on maternity leave. A memo came around to delete all offensive emails and that there would be a check of all computers and disciplinary action would be taken against those who still had offensive emails on their computers. She was on maternity leave, never got the message and a search of her computer found several offensive emails. She got a lawyer and sued and eventually won.
Another woman was out sick and an African American was at her desk and found material that was deemed racist in her desk drawer. (It was a list of jokes, some of which were racial). She was fired. I don’t know if she sued or not.


15 posted on 10/03/2009 7:41:30 AM PDT by detective
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To: Born Conservative
This is the fruit of zero tolerance thinking, we should embrace a diversity in e-mail content.
16 posted on 10/03/2009 7:45:11 AM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar. ---- "OBAMA: THE GREAT MISTAKE OF 2008")
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These are the same people that would raise holy hell if their paycheck was short by thirteen cents but can’t remember a simple rule about email in their employee’s handbook.


17 posted on 10/03/2009 7:46:39 AM PDT by donhunt ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." - Ronald Reagan)
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It’s never private, and it’s also the sole property of the company. I only use mine for work related business.

I can remember "way back when" the 386SX computers first flooded the market as cheap, entry level machines. We cobbled a few of them into a crude, do-it-yourself network to collect production data from the factory floor and shoot it into the Quality Control office for analysis. Cripes Almighty... I had to remove all the floppy drives and rig up "secret" passwords on the darn things just because some idiot on 2nd Shift tried to install some shareware games and AOL on them... and they didn't even have any modems or any other outside connection. What a PITA!!!!

18 posted on 10/03/2009 7:59:07 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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The primary problem is inconsistent enforcement. What should employees think when their own bosses violate the policy?

Much of what is in employee handbooks are there so that in case of a lawsuit the company can attempt to absolve itself by pointing at the "rules". But in reality they aren't the real rules. No one typically cares. Unless they want to lay some folks off without compensation....

That said, no reason to be stupid and make it easy for a corrupt boss or HR person. So keep the bad stuff out of emails and make them work harder to find ways to get out of paying unemployment.
19 posted on 10/03/2009 7:59:59 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: Fresh Wind
You make a hard copy of it for "future reference" and you delete the message. You never, never forward it.

"Never Write a Letter and Never Destroy One" said France's wily Cardinal Richelieu.

Both are sage advice.

20 posted on 10/03/2009 8:02:39 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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