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To: Man50D

The child of American parents, born abroad, is a US citizen by birth through the operation of statute law, NOT through the operation of Natural Law. As such, the child is not Natural Born, contrary to Ms. Ginsburg’s wishful thinking.

Here’s the thing about “Natural Born” citzienship: it is citizenship NOT granted by the State, and hence cannot be revoked by the State. It is a NATURAL state of citizenship that does not depend on the operation of any enacted law.

It derives from the location of birth and the citizenship of the parents and especially by that of the father.

A child born abroad of American parents would not be a citizen of the United States at all if it were not for the operation of statute law. In fact, the statutes regarding the granting of citizenship to children of US citizens who happen to be born outside the US have changed several times over the years and a child born abroad in 1961 who under certain circumstances would not have qualified for US citizenship, for example Barack H. Obama, might well have had he been born in 1995.

While someone may be a US citizen at birth under the operation of statute (if circumstances are compliant with the law) such a citizen is not a “natural born” citizen, and for those who insist that all forms of citizenship can be divided into two classes, “natural born” and “naturalized”, then these children must be considered as “naturalized” as their citizenship devolves upon them by operation of statute law, as it does with all other forms of naturalized citizenship.

A “naturalization” ceremony is not the sine qua non of this type of citizenship - dependence on the operation of statute law is.


7 posted on 09/29/2009 4:28:59 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: John Valentine

I wasn’t aware that the state can revoke any citizenship once granted. Can you provide a link to support that? Thanks.


17 posted on 09/29/2009 5:42:56 AM PDT by Natufian (The mesolithic wasn't so bad, was it?)
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To: John Valentine

I have two cousins born in Colombia to my
aunt a Colombian and my Uncle a US citizen that are US citizens. Neither have lived in the states other than to attend college, but both hold US passports. (I doubt they’re looking to become President)
Holding a US passport is still considered a great achievement, at least in Colombia.


20 posted on 09/29/2009 5:49:44 AM PDT by Recon Dad
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