Posted on 09/27/2009 5:04:44 AM PDT by J. Neil Schulman
Little known fact: "You can take all of the people on the face of planet earth and group them together tightly and they won't even cover a single state in the USA, including Rhode Island."
Look at a map of the USA and notice how small Rhode Island is in relation to the rest of the country.
Once you figure out that Humans are not that numerous when compared to the surface of the Earth their "over-population" argument goes right out the window.
Centralization does not equal efficiency. Sometimes it is less efficient, as in this case.
I've even heard idiots claim the Nazis shipped Jews to the camps to save on ammunition.
Is there anything I can say that would change your mind?
No?
Then on what basis do you think I should be willing to change my considered opinion?
A murder is a murder. 10M murders is 10M murders. The specifics change from example to example, but the degree of wickedness involved doesn’t change much.
****The Nazis were vile beyond belief. Certainly some characteristics of their genocide were unique. They were different from those carried out by other peoples. That doesn’t make them worse than other atrocities of similar scale.****
The only real difference I see is that because of the way the German leaders set up their genocide of the Jews, they could continue to fool the populace that they were on moral high ground. The Mongrels had no such care in their society.
In a modern world where we live within a camera or a cell phone from each other in open societies, we suspect closed ones of nefarious practices. It routinely turns out we are right. When a supposedly open society devises a way to commit genocide while feeling good about itself, it creates a modern problem.
Sorry Sherman Logan. It has been my experience that some people believe what they want to believe.
Without knowing you, I will take it on face value that you are as well read on various aspects of genocide as I am, and have drawn different conclusions than I have, which you are not going to change.
LOL, I noticed that too.
****If it wasn’t life...you couldn’t kill it.****
So by extention, taking any action at all against it proves the actor knows it is alive. If it is not alive, then leave it alone.
Technically, swinging an unbreathing baby’s body against a tree, vice one that is breathing, makes an enormous difference. One is not considered physically alive upon examination, while the other is considered a living human.
In the classic creationist vs seminal argument, either God creates the individual soul or the genetics are passed from generation to generation and the separate soul is created by its parents.
If it created by its parents and not by God, then it is accountable to its parents for its final destiny and not to God.
Which is it, is the soul created by Man or by God?
The more sound Catholic position would be the Creationist position, but when it became politically popular to adapt the seminal position to attempt to discourage abortion, the Catholic Church pronounced life began in the womb. There are links back to Augustine and Origen, but basically the issue boils down to ‘who started soul life’?
BTW, the issue isn’t as simple as stating, “science declares the beginning of human life to begin when...”. Science fails to recognize a trichotomous anthropology of man. Not only failing to discern between body and soul, but also failing to even identify the human spirit, which is included in the Christian concept of human life and the identification of a person. This is no small issue, because the lack of human spirit made holy by God makes all the difference between rotting in the lake of fire for all future eternity and being sanctified and residing with God in heaven for all future eternity.
You’ve said it better than I would have, I would only add the Reductio Ad Absurdum argument that you’re not human unless you take your first breath.
So a baby isn’t human until the umbilical is cut and gets a slap on it’s bottom if we use that criteria.
Yup, so before it breathes, instead of the spank, just shoot it in the head. Then cut the cord.
Bingo...an Obama approved abortion.
The Luke 1:41 passage is a great read.
From it we see how the body may be effected by the Holy Spirit, although perhaps through a series of intermediary causes.
We see that Elizabeth was imbued with the Holy Spirit, so her soul was influenced by the Holy Spirit. We also see how there is an association of an external person(Mary), the observation of that person (by the soul of Elizabeth), and the movement of the body of the infant in the womb of Elizabeth.
So we observe the physical body of the infant in the womb, responding at least to the thinking of his mother, and possibly other direct causations between soul and spirit, but not necessarily.
If the infants neither yet have souls, then the mothers might be performing or manifesting relationships between their souls and the infants’ bodies, perhaps by the mothers’ soul, or their bodies or both.
Additionally, as the second Adam, it might be possible from this verse independent of others, to consider the infant Christ Jesus has body, soul and spirit, but Elizabeth’s infant was still only body, reacting to his mother’s bodily stimuli, initially generated by her soul.
The verse might also manifest that bodily formation responds to the presence of the Son in body as well.
The statement made and presented as a fact is not factual.
The beginning of human life and personhood require definition. The Word of God provides definition as reminded to us by the author of the article.
To their everlasting shame, unobservant, secular Jewish leftists are at the forefront of the worst offenders in the world today, as far as advocating the killing off of somebody else. Witness that kapo, George Soros.
Despite the intellectualizing bluff and bluster, that's all it is ... that limbic, instinctual "reptile mind" saying survive! They haven't evolved at all, and have no moral tradition to guide them, just an amoral political philosophy that has killed into the hundreds of millions over the past century, including six million of their own.
Strawman. No one is denying freedom or religion to anyone. No one except those who claim Christians are out to get people. As you just suggested they are.
Tell it to the Founders.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident..."
Either you hold what they held or you don't.
The country is being destroyed primarily because too many these days in our country don't. They've removed themselves from the original "WE." I hold that truth to be self-evident as well.
The statement made and presented as a fact is not factual.
Tell it to the Founders. "We hold these truths to be self-evident..."
What historical record are we reading wherein the Founding Fathers define a human person's anthropology?
I can understand how somebody who has never had saving faith (I'm not referring to yourself) might be blinded to only think in soulish terms, thinking even more blindly that nothing exists in human perception other than the bodily senses and rationalism, but then again such was myself prior to having a regenerated human spirit, able to perceive thinks of the spirit and beyond that of only the body and soul.
The definition of a human person in Divine terms includes the body, soul, and spirit. The bodily portion of a person might come into physical form and begin some functioning at the point of conception, but that insufficiently defines human life. The human body by itself is not identical with human life. Human life by divine standards as originally made and created includes body, soul, and spirit. More accurately from Hebrew language, it is more than plant life, it includes a breath.
If this man is going to convince me the he alone knows when the soul enters the body, I’m gonna need a miracle as proof.
Indeed it is factual. No matter how many times you deny it. Every single person you've ever seen or known started in this world in exactly that way.
“The guy is a libertarian so you can’t take him too seriously. Look at his home page.”
At your suggestion, I did. Thank you for looking him up and for the suggestion.
Is that based on exit polls or what, how do you get to those high percentages and measurement of emotional state.
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