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Poll: Boxer thumping GOP Senate rivals...but that's good news to one GOPer (Chuck DeVore)
SFGate.com ^ | 9/25/09 | Joe Garofoli

Posted on 09/25/2009 3:54:36 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

We were just tucking an extra flask into the suitcase before heading out to the GOP convention today, when peeps for GOP Assemblyman Chuck DeVore (aka Chuck D. from the OC) breathlessly pointed to a new Rasmussen Poll that shows that Sen. Barbara Boxer is thumping Chuck D by nine points (46 to 37 percent).

And yes, that's the good news. Why? Because Boxer is thumping ex-HP CEO Carly Fiorina by 10 points. (49 percent to 39 percent).

Rasmussen: "Any incumbent who polls less than 50 ercent is considered vulnerable, and 2010 is shaping up as a tough political year for Democrats. Still, Boxer, who is expected to seek a fourth term in the Senate next year, was reelected in 2004 with 58 percent of the vote, and California remains a heavily Democratic state."

Sez Chuck D's corner man Josh Trevino: "For all the money, name recognition, and DC/NRSC backing she brings, Fiorina is underperforming against a conservative state assemblyman with nothing but grassroots support and a hard-charging work ethic in campaigning. Big news, this -- especially as the CRP begins today!"

Oh, and the message that Chuck D's supporters will unlikely be pointing out all weekend: Carly isn't going to be at the convention this weekend, and Chuck D. will be. And it isn't going to help that everybody -- Dems and Republicans -- is goofing on Carly's new website: carlyforcalifornia.com, which totally disrespects Chuck D by presuming that there will be a Carly v. Boxer finale.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: barbaraboxer; ca2010; california; devore; fiorina; poll; rivals; thumping
Git yur heads out yur butts, voters..

Time to send a message to the Ca GoP.

No More RINOs.

1 posted on 09/25/2009 3:54:36 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Carly Fiorina will get creamed against Boxer. No one is going to vote for someone who laid of tons of people and almost ran HP into the ground.


2 posted on 09/25/2009 3:59:01 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: NormsRevenge
Time to send a message to the Ca GoP.

No disrespect interceded Norm, but what is that makes you think they will listen now.

They are treated with contempt by the Republican trenches, their donations have all but dried up, their chosen candidates for statewide office have been fairing poorly and they have faced internal revolt after internal revolt. But still they stumble on with candidates who, even if elected, will not implement their long held principles of less government and more personal freedom/individual responsibility.

3 posted on 09/25/2009 4:09:08 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: pnh102

Don’t forget Lucent. Carly managed to destroy two high-tech companies with a long successful history (at least until she got there).


4 posted on 09/25/2009 4:12:43 PM PDT by Warhammer (Know Jesus, know peace.)
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Rasmussen Reports - Election 2010: California Senate - Boxer Beats Fiorina, DeVore (DeVore polls closer to Boxer)

5 posted on 09/25/2009 4:14:24 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Chuck DeVore for U.S. Senate)
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To: NormsRevenge
Her history at Hewlett Packard is certainly not a plus as she failed to do anything for it...as shown here.

And then there was this devastating rebuke from those of coptic heritage and faith in the Middle East:

What Arab Civilization?

This letter was sent to Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett Packard Corporation, in response to a speech given by her on September 26, 2001. November 7, 2001

Carly Fiorina
Hewlett-Packard >BR> 3000 Hanover Street
Palo Alto, CA 94304-1185

Dear Madame Fiorina:

It is with great interest that I read your speech delivered on September 26, 2001, titled "Technology, Business and Our way of Life: What's Next" [sic]. I was particularly interested in the story you told at the end of your speech, about the Arab/Muslim civilization. As an Assyrian, a non-Arab, Christian native of the Middle East, whose ancestors reach back to 5000 B.C., I wish to clarify some points you made in this little story, and to alert you to the dangers of unwittingly being drawn into the Arabist/Islamist ideology, which seeks to assimilate all cultures and religions into the Arab/Islamic fold.

I know you are a very busy woman, but please find ten minutes to read what follows, as it is a perspective that you will not likely get from anywhere else. I will answer some of the specific points you made in your speech, then conclude with a brief perspective on this Arabist/Islamist ideology.

Arabs and Muslims appeared on the world scene in 630 A.D., when the armies of Muhammad began their conquest of the Middle East. We should be very clear that this was a military conquest, not a missionary enterprise, and through the use of force, authorized by a declaration of a Jihad against infidels, Arabs/Muslims were able to forcibly convert and assimilate non-Arabs and non-Mulsims into their fold. Very few indigenous communities of the Middle East survived this -- primarily Assyrians, Jews, Armenians and Coptics (of Egypt).

Having conquered the Middle East, Arabs placed these communities under a Dhimmi (see the book Dhimmi, by Bat Ye'Or) system of governance, where the communities were allowed to rule themselves as religious minorities (Christians, Jews and Zoroastrian). These communities had to pay a tax (called a Jizzya in Arabic) that was, in effect, a penalty for being non-Muslim, and that was typically 80% in times of tolerance and up to 150% in times of oppression. This tax forced many of these communities to convert to Islam, as it was designed to do.

You state, "its architects designed buildings that defied gravity." I am not sure what you are referring to, but if you are referring to domes and arches, the fundamental architectural breakthrough of using a parabolic shape instead of a spherical shape for these structures was made by the Assyrians more than 1300 years earlier, as evidenced by their archaeological record.

You state, "its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption." The fundamental basis of modern mathematics had been laid down not hundreds but thousands of years before by Assyrians and Babylonians, who already knew of the concept of zero, of the Pythagorean Theorem, and of many, many other developments expropriated by Arabs/Muslims (see History of Babylonian Mathematics, Neugebauer).

You state, "its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease." The overwhelming majority of these doctors (99%) were Assyrians. In the fourth, fifth, and sixth centuries Assyrians began a systematic translation of the Greek body of knowledge into Assyrian. At first they concentrated on the religious works but then quickly moved to science, philosophy and medicine. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Galen, and many others were translated into Assyrian, and from Assyrian into Arabic. It is these Arabic translations which the Moors brought with them into Spain, and which the Spaniards translated into Latin and spread throughout Europe, thus igniting the European Renaissance.

By the sixth century A.D., Assyrians had begun exporting back to Byzantia their own works on science, philosophy and medicine. In the field of medicine, the Bakhteesho Assyrian family produced nine generations of physicians, and founded the great medical school at Gundeshapur (Iran). Also in the area of medicine, (the Assyrian) Hunayn ibn-Ishaq's textbook on ophthalmology, written in 950 A.D., remained the authoritative source on the subject until 1800 A.D.

In the area of philosophy, the Assyrian philosopher Job of Edessa developed a physical theory of the universe, in the Assyrian language, that rivaled Aristotle's theory, and that sought to replace matter with forces (a theory that anticipated some ideas in quantum mechanics, such as the spontaneous creation and destruction of matter that occurs in the quantum vacuum).

One of the greatest Assyrian achievements of the fourth century was the founding of the first university in the world, the School of Nisibis, which had three departments, theology, philosophy and medicine, and which became a magnet and center of intellectual development in the Middle East. The statutes of the School of Nisibis, which have been preserved, later became the model upon which the first Italian university was based (see The Statutes of the School of Nisibis, by Arthur Voobus).

When Arabs and Islam swept through the Middle East in 630 A.D., they encountered 600 years of Assyrian Christian civilization, with a rich heritage, a highly developed culture, and advanced learning institutions. It is this civilization that became the foundation of the Arab civilization.

You state, "Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration." This is a bit melodramatic. In fact, the astronomers you refer to were not Arabs but Chaldeans and Babylonians (of present day south-Iraq), who for millennia were known as astronomers and astrologers, and who were forcibly Arabized and Islamized -- so rapidly that by 750 A.D. they had disappeared completely.

You state, "its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things." There is very little literature in the Arabic language that comes from this period you are referring to (the Koran is the only significant piece of literature), whereas the literary output of the Assyrians and Jews was vast. The third largest corpus of Christian writing, after Latin and Greek, is by the Assyrians in the Assyrian language (also called Syriac; see here.)

You state, "when other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others." This is a very important issue you raise, and it goes to the heart of the matter of what Arab/Islamic civilization represents. I reviewed a book titled How Greek Science Passed to the Arabs, in which the author lists the significant translators and interpreters of Greek science. Of the 22 scholars listed, 20 were Assyrians, 1 was Persian and 1 an Arab. I state at the end of my review: "The salient conclusion which can be drawn from O'Leary's book is that Assyrians played a significant role in the shaping of the Islamic world via the Greek corpus of knowledge. If this is so, one must then ask the question, what happened to the Christian communities which made them lose this great intellectual enterprise which they had established. One can ask this same question of the Arabs. Sadly, O'Leary's book does not answer this question, and we must look elsewhere for the answer." I did not answer this question I posed in the review because it was not the place to answer it, but the answer is very clear, the Christian Assyrian community was drained of its population through forced conversion to Islam (by the Jizzya), and once the community had dwindled below a critical threshold, it ceased producing the scholars that were the intellectual driving force of the Islamic civilization, and that is when the so called "Golden Age of Islam" came to an end (about 850 A.D.).

Islam the religion itself was significantly molded by Assyrians and Jews (see Nestorian Influence on Islam and Hagarism: the Making of the Islamic World).

Arab/Islamic civilization is not a progressive force, it is a regressive force; it does not give impetus, it retards. The great civilization you describe was not an Arab/Muslim accomplishment, it was an Assyrian accomplishment that Arabs expropriated and subsequently lost when they drained, through the forced conversion of Assyrians to Islam, the source of the intellectual vitality that propelled it. What other Arab/Muslim civilization has risen since? What other Arab/Muslim successes can we cite?

You state, "and perhaps we can learn a lesson from his [Suleiman] example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions." In fact, the Ottomans were extremely oppressive to non-Muslims. For example, young Christian boys were forcefully taken from their families, usually at the age of 8-10, and inducted into the Janissaries, (yeniceri in Turkish) where they were Islamized and made to fight for the Ottoman state. What literary, artistic or scientific achievements of the Ottomans can we point to? We can, on the other hand, point to the genocide of 750,000 Assyrians, 1.5 million Armenians and 400,000 Greeks in World War One by the Kemalist "Young Turk" government. This is the true face of Islam.

Arabs/Muslims are engaged in an explicit campaign of destruction and expropriation of cultures and communities, identities and ideas. Wherever Arab/Muslim civilization encounters a non-Arab/Muslim one, it attempts to destroy it (as the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan were destroyed, as Persepolis was destroyed by the Ayotollah Khomeini). This is a pattern that has been recurring since the advent of Islam, 1400 years ago, and is amply substantiated by the historical record. If the "foreign" culture cannot be destroyed, then it is expropriated, and revisionist historians claim that it is and was Arab, as is the case of most of the Arab "accomplishments" you cited in your speech. For example, Arab history texts in the Middle East teach that Assyrians were Arabs, a fact that no reputable scholar would assert, and that no living Assyrian would accept. Assyrians first settled Nineveh, one of the major Assyrian cities, in 5000 B.C., which is 5630 years before Arabs came into that area. Even the word 'Arab' is an Assyrian word, meaning "Westerner" (the first written reference to Arabs was by the Assyrian King Sennacherib, 800 B.C., in which he tells of conquering the "ma'rabayeh" -- Westerners. See The Might That Was Assyria, by H. W. F. Saggs).

Even in America this Arabization policy continues. On October 27th a coalition of seven Assyrian and Maronite organizations sent an official letter to the Arab American Institute asking it to stop identifying Assyrians and Maronites as Arabs, which it had been deliberately doing.

There are minorities and nations struggling for survival in the Arab/Muslim ocean of the Middle East and Africa (Assyrians, Armenians, Coptics, Jews, southern Sudanese, Ethiopians, Nigerians...), and we must be very sensitive not to unwittingly and inadvertently support Islamic fascism and Arab Imperialism, with their attempts to wipe out all other cultures, religions and civilizations. It is incumbent upon each one of us to do our homework and research when making statements and speeches about these sensitive matters.

I hope you found this information enlightening. For more information, refer to the web links below. You may contact me at keepa@ninevehsoft.com for further questions.

Thank you for your consideration. Peter BetBasoo

Web resources:

Brief History of Assyrians

Assyrian International News Agency Assyrian American National Federation Assyrian Academic Society Zinda Magazine Beth Suryoyo Nineveh Online World Maronite Union Maronite Research Council World Lebanese Organization Coptic Web


6 posted on 09/25/2009 4:18:47 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Amerigomag

No problemo or disrespect taken, lol .. and good points.

I guess I been a member of the Masada wing of the Ca GoP for so long.. that hope thingy still flickers up now and then. ;-)


7 posted on 09/25/2009 4:19:15 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: NormsRevenge

Last candidate the CAGOP ran against Boxer wasn’t a RINO.
And he got demolished.

California Republicans need to learn from past mistakes, something they are notoriously incapable of doing.
As a matter of actually winning an election, I’m more inclined to prefer someone like Fiorina than DeVore as a candidate against Boxer, even though DeVore would make the better senator.

There are two primary reasons: gender, and money.
In California, women by far hold the political power, and frankly, I don’t think a man can defeat either of the sitting senators.

Fiorina also has a lot of money, and could raise a lot of money. I fear DeVore would be a repeat of Jones. What a disaster that was. Bill Jones got the endorsement of the entire CAGOP establishment, including Arnold. He then proceeded to run a campaign with no money and no visibility. Boxer may as well have been running unopposed.

Bill Jones was far from a RINO. He ran a one-note campaign. As is the problem with all California ‘conservatives’ he was concerned with nothing but abortion. His entire campaign presence consisted of a homemade GeoCitities website declaring his opposition to abortion in large Comic Sans font. The man was a clown for a candidate.

The GOP need to run AGAINST B0XER. Go after HER. Go after her votes, her stupid comments, remind the voters how much they dislike her. That takes money and a statewide campaign. I do not think DeVore can do that. He just doesn’t have the tools to engineer it, and he can’t rely on the deadbeat CAGOP to be any help at all. Any Republican running in California is on their own. Let to their own devices to win an election. So what good is it if DeVore would be a better senator than Fiorina if it’s a forgone conclusion that he can’t win the election?

Say what you want about Fiorina being a RINO, but it’s better to have a RINO representing a Democrat state like California, than a liberal like Boxer. Where we need to be concerned about RINOs is in states where conservatives could actually win. Those are the states we should be ousting RINOs, because those states could do a lot better. It is time to face the fact that California cannot. Here just winning is a feat.


8 posted on 09/25/2009 4:24:17 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: counterpunch

True, Jones wasn’t quite a Rino... but as usual got outgunned and outmoneyed..

It has been a case of who can get bankrolled by the Ca Gop of late too tho.

The record of who the powers that be support has been dismal to say the least. from huffington to fong to .. so far, no KaaChing!


9 posted on 09/25/2009 4:34:40 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: counterpunch
Jones may not be as much a RINO as Schwarzenegger, but the milquetoast one certainly wasn't the conservative choice of the primary (that was Howard Kooligian). And switching his 2000 Presidential endorsement from George W. Bush (bad) to John McCain (worse), to his support of Schwarzenegger in the Gubernatorial recall, doesn't show me conservative credentials. It shows me a gutless compromiser. Absolute nonsense. I don't recall any push on the abortion agenda. Heck, nobody recalls anything about the invisible candidate.

His main talking point was about his "experience," not abortion. His LOWV bios didn't even touch abortion (page one, page two)

Now we agree on something.
10 posted on 09/25/2009 4:45:28 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Chuck DeVore for U.S. Senate)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

I was about to say - I don’t recall a single campaign advertisement, a billboard - anything in Northern California - I had to wait to see the ballot before I knew who the GOP was running against Boxer.


11 posted on 09/25/2009 4:53:11 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Ronald Reagan - Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just t)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

I’m talking about his official campaign website.
It was the most unprofessional thing I’d ever seen in statewide politics. I think he made it himself.
And yes, a declaration of his opposition to abortion was the focal point of the front (and only?) page, in a large bold font. I don’t know that it was actually Comic Sans, but it would have fit the GeoCities feel. Also not sure if the text was actually done in flashing colors with excessive exclamation points...


12 posted on 09/25/2009 5:00:47 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Thumping? Hardly. She’s leading, but not by an overwhelming margin.


13 posted on 09/25/2009 5:18:22 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: NormsRevenge

Who knew Botoxication was the cure for RINOs.


14 posted on 09/25/2009 5:43:26 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: Right Cal Gal

I ask Bill Jones point blank at a meet-and-greet in Burlingame when he was going to start running ads in his race against Boxer. “Soon,” he said.

There were absolutely zero television ads.

He was the invisible candidate. I knew from his 2002 gubernatorial primary campaign (which he lost and came in a dismal third) that he was going to be extremely ineffective, but I couldn’t imagine how ineffective he was in 2004 against Boxer.

We could have done better with a coatrack with a bucket on top.


15 posted on 09/25/2009 7:43:59 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Chuck DeVore for U.S. Senate)
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