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Marine officer who set up Guantanamo prison expresses dismay at what it has become
LA Times ^ | 9/25/2009 | Tony Perry

Posted on 09/24/2009 6:32:32 PM PDT by Saije

In late 2001, when the Pentagon decided to put detainees at the U.S. military base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the task of setting up a camp and establishing its rules went to Marine Brig. Gen. Michael Lehnert.

Lehnert planned to rely on what he learned while running a camp at Guantanamo in the mid-1990s for nearly 19,000 Cubans and Haitians trying to flee to the United States.

And he was determined to follow the spirit, if not the letter, of the Geneva Convention, providing decent food, banning extreme interrogation and allowing religious services. He brought in a Muslim chaplain and permitted visits by the Red Cross.

When detainees went on a hunger strike, he spoke to them, even allowing one to get a phone message from his wife in Afghanistan.

But in the bureaucratic jostling that followed, Lehnert's approach was supplanted by that of a hard-nosed Army general...

On Thursday, as the 58-year-old officer prepared to retire after 36 years in the Marine Corps, he expressed his deep disappointment about what happened at Guantanamo after he left.

"I think we lost the moral high ground," Lehnert said. "For those who do not think much of the moral high ground, that is not that significant.

"But for those who think our standing in the international community is important, we need to stand for American values. You have to walk the walk, talk the talk."

Shortly after leaving Guantanamo, Lehnert said he concluded that the detention center should be shut down as soon as possible, a position that he holds more strongly now.

"I think we should close it down," he said. "I think the information we're getting is not worth the international beating we're taking."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: detainees; gitmo; lehnert; torture
With respect to the General --who clearly knows more about this than I do-- I don't think it matters how humanely the detainees were treated. He could have been singing lullabies and rocking 'em to sleep every night and we were still going to get hammered over Gitmo.
1 posted on 09/24/2009 6:32:33 PM PDT by Saije
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To: Saije

Until our Prisoners are treated by the Taliban as GOOD as Gitmo I don’t want to hear it


2 posted on 09/24/2009 6:34:02 PM PDT by omega4179 (We must be the change.)
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To: Saije

Move them next door to the General. Problem solved.


3 posted on 09/24/2009 6:35:21 PM PDT by Patrick1 (I'm not calling in sick; I'm calling in gone!)
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To: Saije

General. you are a moron.


4 posted on 09/24/2009 6:36:05 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Saije

I didn’t realize the USMC had “McPeaks” in their ranks.

Too bad...


5 posted on 09/24/2009 6:36:16 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Patrick1

“Move them next door to the General. Problem solved.”

According to the article, that might just happen:

“Lehnert and his wife plan to retire in their native Michigan, not that far from the prison at Standish, Mich., which is in the running to take some of the Guantanamo detainees once the detention facility is closed, which is planned to occur in the coming months.

“I think they’re following me,” Lehnert said with a smile.”


6 posted on 09/24/2009 6:36:46 PM PDT by Saije
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To: Saije

“Lehnert planned to rely on what he learned while running a camp at Guantanamo in the mid-1990s for nearly 19,000 Cubans and Haitians trying to flee to the United States.”

Officers....can’t tell the difference between those trying to flee to the US versus those trying to destroy the US.
1SG (ret)


7 posted on 09/24/2009 6:40:35 PM PDT by Kozel89
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To: Saije
I don't care about moral high ground anymore. If we look at Britain, for instance, they used to be feared because if people didn't obey, there was an atrocity to reinforce social order. After WW II, they lurched the other direction and let everyone, his brother, mother, sister, and dog into the country. They wanted to show the face of New Britain, as Tony Blair put it. Now the country is rife with crime, schools are so dumbed down anyone can get through them, and the Muslims are taking over. Old, colonizing Britain was wicked, no doubt, but New Britain is falling apart and in rapid decay.

Moral of the story: If you're a powerful country, given the choice between being feared and loved, take feared. Everyone in the world would love a neutered America. I'm not saying we go out of our way to be feared, but we have to do what we think is right for us, not for Chad, Lesotho, Latvia, Iran, or Andorra. When the tide is against us, we cannot count on Uruguay or Namibia to fight with us.

8 posted on 09/24/2009 7:01:38 PM PDT by ElectronVolt
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To: Saije
Lehnert planned to rely on what he learned while running a camp at Guantanamo in the mid-1990s for nearly 19,000 Cubans and Haitians trying to flee to the United States.

I bet they used a lot of 91C internment/relocation specialist MPs back then, in 2006 they changed the MOS number to 31C.

9 posted on 09/24/2009 7:15:06 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Saije

Maybe he was competent at the logistics.
But whether it was worth it is above his pay grade.


11 posted on 09/24/2009 7:28:48 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Maybe he was competent at the logistics.
But whether it was worth it is above his pay grade

Colonel Meyers: Who's in charge here?
Maj. Malcolm A. Powers: I am, sir. Major Malcolm Powers.
Colonel Meyers: Did you lead this assault?
Maj. Malcolm A. Powers: Sir, Leutenant Ring and Gunnery Sergeant Highway disobeyed a direct order. I told them to wait for support but they went up this hill anyway.
Colonel Meyers: [to Highway] Why?
Highway: We're Marines, sir. We're paid to adapt, to improvise.
Lieutenant M.R. Ring: Sir, I gave the order to take this hill.
Maj. Malcolm A. Powers: Ring, this is going to ruin your career.
Colonel Meyers: Are you new to the infantry, Major?
Maj. Malcolm A. Powers: Yes, sir. Just came over from supply.
Colonel Meyers: Were you good at that?
Maj. Malcolm A. Powers: Yes, sir!
Colonel Meyers: Well then, stick to it because you're a walking…

12 posted on 09/24/2009 7:31:05 PM PDT by Dahoser (The missus and I joined the NRA. Who says Obama can't inspire conservatives?)
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To: omega4179
Until our Prisoners are treated by the Taliban as GOOD as Gitmo I don’t want to hear it

They do not take prisoners. The Taliban kills them and or tortures and kills them. They like to cut their heads off as it is filmed. Evil Bastards

13 posted on 09/24/2009 7:45:06 PM PDT by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: Dahoser
Gee, a MARINE general with no record of combat, am I reading his bio correctly?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_R._Lehnert

http://www.nixonlibraryfoundation.org/index.php?src=news&submenu=Top%3A%20Media&srctype=detail&category=Press%20Releases&refno=79

Also no intelligence experience or training cited.

14 posted on 09/26/2009 7:40:17 AM PDT by BilLies
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To: Saije
He brought in a Muslim chaplain and permitted visits by the Red Cross.

Red Cross, eh?

So, he tortured prisoners by subjecting them to a Christian symbol?

15 posted on 09/26/2009 7:45:15 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
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