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To: betty boop
Science shouldn't begin by ruling things out. Or so it seems to me, FWIW.

How do you not "rule out" what you cannot perceive? There's an inherent limitation that's a consequence of being material that puts us in the context of materialism.

Creation science seems to be even more limiting, in that it starts with a predermined conclusion and axiomatically excludes anything inconsistent with that conclusion.

634 posted on 10/10/2009 10:26:00 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic; Alamo-Girl; CottShop
How do you not "rule out" what you cannot perceive? There's an inherent limitation that's a consequence of being material that puts us in the context of materialism.

But the point is, why should you think that "all we humans are" are material objects, and nothing else?

That, in effect, humans and all of biology "reduce to" — that is, are ultimately explainable by — physics and chemistry, and nothing else? Leading theorists for decades now have been telling us that biological information — which is neither physical nor chemical — is indispensable for biological organization.

Question: Do you draw any distinction between "perception" and "visualization?" Or, when you say "perception," do you mean only sense perception? Arguably, we humans are strongly conditioned by sensory experiences, not only as individuals, but arguably as a species. But do we actually "reduce to" sensory experience?

Or might the noun "perception" itself encompass a wider field than that which can be experienced by sense perception, direct or as technologically aided?

Just asking. Trying to get on the same page with you here....

640 posted on 10/10/2009 12:09:46 PM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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