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To: tacticalogic; Alamo-Girl; CottShop
How do you not "rule out" what you cannot perceive? There's an inherent limitation that's a consequence of being material that puts us in the context of materialism.

But the point is, why should you think that "all we humans are" are material objects, and nothing else?

That, in effect, humans and all of biology "reduce to" — that is, are ultimately explainable by — physics and chemistry, and nothing else? Leading theorists for decades now have been telling us that biological information — which is neither physical nor chemical — is indispensable for biological organization.

Question: Do you draw any distinction between "perception" and "visualization?" Or, when you say "perception," do you mean only sense perception? Arguably, we humans are strongly conditioned by sensory experiences, not only as individuals, but arguably as a species. But do we actually "reduce to" sensory experience?

Or might the noun "perception" itself encompass a wider field than that which can be experienced by sense perception, direct or as technologically aided?

Just asking. Trying to get on the same page with you here....

640 posted on 10/10/2009 12:09:46 PM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: betty boop
But the point is, why should you think that "all we humans are" are material objects, and nothing else?

That looks like an exercise in "filling in the blanks". Admitting that our sensory perception is necessarily limited by the properties of the material of our physical bodies does not require denying a spiritual existence. I don't see why it is necessary to assume that it does.

645 posted on 10/10/2009 12:49:52 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: betty boop
Or might the noun "perception" itself encompass a wider field than that which can be experienced by sense perception, direct or as technologically aided?

It might, but if objectivity is of any consequence in the investigation that leaves a question of how to establish any measure of objectivity without an underlying reliance on empirical evidence, and what seems to be a inherent connection between empirical measure and sensory perception.

646 posted on 10/10/2009 12:56:19 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: betty boop; tacticalogic; CottShop
That, in effect, humans and all of biology "reduce to" — that is, are ultimately explainable by — physics and chemistry, and nothing else? Leading theorists for decades now have been telling us that biological information — which is neither physical nor chemical — is indispensable for biological organization.

Precisely so!

A man and a rock are made of the same quantum fields and particles, but there is no point in developing an H1N1 vaccine for a rock.

Since the discovery of DNA, biologists ignore information theory to their own loss.

Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

652 posted on 10/10/2009 9:55:34 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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