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To: CottShop; Alamo-Girl; tacticalogic
For the non-existence of causes other than natural ones has never been shown

Just repeating myself a bit here, CottShop! To put it another way, all I was saying is that no one has ever shown (or demonstrated) that all causes in nature MUST be "natural" ones. There is apparent intelligence at work in nature. From what I understand of methodological naturalism, intelligence would not be a "natural" cause, since it has no material basis.

You wrote:

We know nature isn’t capable of the foresight and anticipation seen in the complexity of Metainformation, and it certainly couldn’t arise from chemicals— hence I think it can be quite strongly shown that an intelligent Designer capable of anticipating and planning was needed.

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me, dear CottShop!

Thank you ever so much for writing!

490 posted on 09/30/2009 9:25:19 PM PDT by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: betty boop
To put it another way, all I was saying is that no one has ever shown (or demonstrated) that all causes in nature MUST be "natural" ones.

To put it another way, all I was saying is that no one has ever shown (or demonstrated) that all causes in nature must NOT be "natural" ones.

491 posted on 09/30/2009 9:26:25 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: betty boop

[[Just repeating myself a bit here, CottShop! To put it another way, all I was saying is that no one has ever shown (or demonstrated) that all causes in nature MUST be “natural” ones.]]

I think I misread you the first time- I thought you were inferring that ‘noone could show who the supernatural is’, which is why I answered what I did- Your statement above makes it more clear that you were speaking aobut somethign different- to which I agree and to which the site I lsited above pretty much says what you said.


499 posted on 09/30/2009 10:59:07 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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