Posted on 09/23/2009 7:06:56 PM PDT by Dementio
With scant public input, state and federal officials are pushing ahead with plans that -- during a severe flu outbreak -- would deny use of scarce ventilators by some patients to assure they would be available for patients judged to benefit the most from them.
The plans have been drawn up to give doctors specific guidelines for extreme circumstances, and they include procedures under which patients who weren’t improving would be removed from life support with or without permission of their families.
The plans are designed to go into effect if the U.S. were struck by a severe flu pandemic comparable to the 1918 outbreak that killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide. State and federal health officials have concluded that such a pandemic would sicken far more people needing ventilators than could be treated by the available supplies.
(Excerpt) Read more at propublica.org ...
And BTW, I meant “sell” papers, magazines, advertizing, air time, etc. Making money. I was not implying they are hyping to get people to vacinate.
Well, the demonic forces in this administration are astonishingly transparent. I mean, John Holdren wrote that abortion was the better statistical means to suvive a pregnancy. Can we seniors get any mercy from such dead souls? No, not a bit, because slaughtering us will be deemed enlightened social policy.
same time zone here.
Thanks with my horrible memory I wasn’t sure of the name of those helicopters...What power.....wow
This did not just start with 0.
My son has had to be on a vent 3 times in his 30 yrs.
I have had pro Life docs and an equal share of end his suffering now docs.
It maybe just a little more out in the open with the internet and the times we are in.
My advice to anyone with an aging parent or disabled loved on is keep on top of their care and stay as far from a hosp. that you can unless it is for life saving measures.
It may take a good part of the day but cleanliness/hygeine is a huge factor when taking care of the severly disabled.
We meet others all the time when we are out and about may only meet at that one time but we talk or they talk and we exchange ideas at that time then move along.
Common sense and being self reliant is the best approach IMO.
Come flu season we will (as I have continually posted) flip our grocery runs ect to times on the clock that dont coincide with the population at large.
It is doable living in a small community.
And everyone communicates the health bugger of the day.
Right now allergies are horrible for all but for my son green trach mucous is not just viral related so we take a sample and either drop it of at the Lab or the lab is more that happy to drop by and pick it up if we cannot get out.
I understand hosp/rehab placement is sometimes unavoidalbe but we do are best to stay clear of the Docs office/ER ect....
We have a good Doc who keeps orders on file with the lab so blood work ect that is what an ER would do is availbable so he dont have to go to an ER.
Not everyone has that option.
Most posts I read here on health are in agreement to my view rest/fluids for many ailments and know if the green is coming up and chest is getting tight get help ect for other syntoms.
The fear mongering that 0 is going to start thinning the herd is not cool.
No one is forcing you to take a lethal injection as St. Kolbe did in Auswitch.
In India if you don't have enough money to get into the hospital to be placed on a ventilator the physicians will intubate you but your family members must take turns to squeeze the ambu bag to keep you alive.
Lots of truth in what you wrote...but in the long run the only one we can depend on is ourselves, family and friends..I would never wait around for some government official to tell me what to do...When all else fails just run like hell...(I am being silly with the last sentence). Not living in a crowded city makes it easier in emergencys. Crowds panic...
Well, media hyping is done for more than money - of all businesses, the media business is the most firmly entrenched in political effect for everything it does. And passing a law indemnifying flu vaccine manufacturers while "coincidentally" hyping a flu hardly requires rocket science to connect the two dots. So I don't see how media hyping through, for example, hypothetical ruminations of lack of medical... technology... can be disconnected from vaccine availability, or the legal compulsion that would be required to make coverage "effective."
Nice spin. Uh, I forget though, how many more people died in this "epidemic" than the average 35,000 dead per year from regular flu?
I can answer that question, valium is good....:O)
You seem to have decided that what I wrote meant something other than what was intend and initiated a debate on the other topic. Thanks, but beyond what is here already I'll pass.
BTW lack of technology and lack of equipment are also two entirely different things. And the shortage of resperators if there actually is a pandemic will be very real. Thus the need to have a predetermined rational framework for deciding their use: the original topic...
The decision should lie with the afflicted and their families and within their own means and needs. I don't owe you squat if we have similar circumstances; you have no right to appeal to authority to take from me and my family for you and your's benefit (that's elitists’ mentality).
The introduction of government and/or bureaucrats into that equation is exactly what we stand against.
That's why we aren't giving the government our resources and the right to decide our ‘disposition’ (obamacare).
Well there you go again. : )
I thought the term was triage but was not sure.
Yes it has been protocol for as long as I can remember (being a medical street thug aka non licensed healthcare provider).
Folks need to keep facts straight.
Fear mongering does not help when the Govt is or does interfere with our rights it may come across as crying wolf.
Liberals writing rules just in case they have a good excuse to kill a lot of old people and take over family decisions.
Canada is running around dropping off body bags in areas of the country just in case the global warming watermelons there strike gold with the swine flu.
The body bag story was debunked as body bags are a normal supply/stock for medical units that people die at.
I just looked up your claim that this story was debunked.
Canada’s government is appologizing for dropping off body bags at an indian reservation after they asked for help in receiving equipment in preparation for the swine flu. It was not a normal resupply of body bags as you claim. If it were the socilaists would not be appologizing and the Indians would not be outraged.
I know. It does seem silly to plan to pull the plug on people over $10 million when we just spent trillions.
When did $37 million start seeming small? But really $2000 a ventilator to save a life is really small. $1000/life if the ventilator gets used just twice.
The only difference is that they would have to spend the money up front before they know what the real scope of the crisis is.
Mexico practically shut down their economy while they dealt with this. No politician does that voluntarily. That's tax money!!!
If this is just a scheme by our government, then clearly we rule the world. Because this is not a U.S. only concern. Doctors in other countries, Doctors who went to Mexico, are very concerned.
There is such a thing as denial, you know.
LLS
As far and as fast as it can be pushed.
Since there appears to be minimal resistance, my guess would be 90 days to martial law.
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