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Surprised? Smoking status doesn't predict cardiovascular death with arterial disease
Reuters ^ | 09/22/09 | Unknown

Posted on 09/22/2009 3:38:49 PM PDT by TennesseeGirl

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To: blackminorca

The 2010 US spec diesels use some amazing particulate filters on the exhaust.
The tailpipe is literally white glove clean.
Of course this all comes at a high price to purchase - 7 to 10 grand on a new truck.


21 posted on 09/22/2009 7:05:23 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: freespirited

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052970203803904574426921442513660.html#mod=todays_us_personal_journal


22 posted on 09/22/2009 7:07:21 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: HamiltonJay

“Of course lets not bring Lung Cancer, Pancreatic Cancer, or the plethora of other diseases where the increased risk of developing due to smoking is hundreds of times that of the non smoker into the conversation.”

Total bunk, and exactly like global warming. A smoker is 100 times less likely to have any of these medical problems as non-smokers.

Hank.


23 posted on 09/22/2009 7:20:43 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: blackminorca

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You are on crack if you believe that!

If you smoke you are 2-3 times more likely to develop pancreatic cancer than non-smoker. You are pushing aids denier nonsense if you are claiming otherwise.


24 posted on 09/22/2009 7:23:14 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Hank Kerchief

Wow, well now I know how holocaust deniers exist.

Take your denials of pancreatic cancer and smoking and tell to Patrick Swayze.


25 posted on 09/22/2009 7:26:15 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

I see that you dont deny the other maladys that are less prevalent for smokers - I will get back to you on pancreatic cancer.


26 posted on 09/22/2009 7:26:39 PM PDT by blackminorca
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To: balls

Just watch a non-smoker dying and listen to them gasping for their last breath. That’s a lesson you won’t forget.

Hank


27 posted on 09/22/2009 7:27:16 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: freespirited

They started with roughly the same age separation among the 2501 patients, all of whom had cardiovascular presentations; it doesn’t look as though there is much to be taken from this study on balance other than aggresive smoking-cessation programs might be de-emphasised among such patients.


28 posted on 09/22/2009 7:32:15 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: HamiltonJay

Don’t make up numbers just to try and make a point.


29 posted on 09/22/2009 7:35:01 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: HamiltonJay

my bad - it is prostate cancer that has a lower incidence with cigarette smokers.


30 posted on 09/22/2009 7:35:34 PM PDT by blackminorca
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To: nascarnation

That’s study doesn’t have any controls and no protocol at all.If there was any such general effect it would have been seen nationwide in the past twenty five years as the percentage of smokers has dropped by half while the heart attack numbers reflect demographic growth in general.

Perhaps a true study merits funding just to ‘clear the air.’


31 posted on 09/22/2009 7:43:36 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: jacquej
I hope his Parkinson's goes into remission...

I to have been a long time smoker and with the news about the swine flu, I figured no flu virus could get through all the junk in my lungs....I am not worried about it..:O) Like you I rarely have flu or colds, my problem is being dumb and pushing and lifting things I shouldn't and re injure an old rib problem...an old lady trying to push a garden tractor out of 3 inches of mud, is one dumb old lady...I won't do that again and I heard something pop and got knocked off my feet in the middle of the field...the only good part was I was within view of the road, so if I couldn't get up, someone would see me...after about 1 minute I could get to my feet, but couldn't stand up straight...made it back to the house and nursed bad ribs for about 10 days...as I said, dumb...:O)

Wish all good things for you and your husband...he has a difficult problem to deal with as do you.....

32 posted on 09/22/2009 7:50:08 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Apercu
Your mom is lucky....at her age, a broken hip is not only painful, but can be deadly...My sister had to have both hips replaced, she did great, but was in her 70's...not broken hips, just worn out in the socket and she had put up with a lot of pain in her legs for years...the hip replacement took away about 95% of her pain...

Hope your mom does well...CHF can be controlled...I use to do home health care 5 days a week for a sweet old gal that was 94 and had CHF. If the doctor hasn't told you, watch for slight shortness of breath, also swollen ankles and if you press on the ankle and it leaves an indentation for a few seconds, thats another sign that perhaps she should see the doctor again....I had my lady in ER twice and they would give her Lasix IV push, she'd pee a lot and they would send her home....She was not even aware that anything was wrong, but as we sat an talked, I could tell she was a little short of breath. (SOB in medical terms) when I asked to see her ankles, they were slightly swollen...Her family doctor doubled her lasix prescription..

33 posted on 09/22/2009 8:05:04 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: TennesseeGirl

I survived because of the “smoker’s paradox”.

Smoking constricts the arteries, revealing a narrowing of the system before a full fledged heart attack occurs.

Why would I quit?


34 posted on 09/22/2009 8:08:10 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: HamiltonJay
Of course lets not bring Lung Cancer, Pancreatic Cancer, or the plethora of other diseases where the increased risk of developing due to smoking is hundreds of times that of the non smoker into the conversation.*****

That does not explain lung cancer in non smokers and pancreatic cancer is not associated with smoking at all unless you believe all the anti-smoking nazi's.

Even the UN (yuk) did a study of second hand smoke and found no correlation between it and any disease...that study was quickly deleted from the news by the prissies that want to tell others how to live.. Besides, if smoking does shorten your life its at the end of your years, so no diapers, nursing homes or senility...

Smoke um if you got um...

35 posted on 09/22/2009 8:15:59 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny
Same symptoms - swollen ankles & stomach, shortness of breath,bouts of pneumonia,extreme fatigue. My sister is constantly adjusting her lasix & other meds. Mom hates drinking liquids so she is always on the verge of being dehydrated and is very testy about her condition since she has always been very independent - who can blame her.One step forward & two steps back.
36 posted on 09/22/2009 8:17:21 PM PDT by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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To: balls
Just watch a heavy smoker dying and listen to them gasping for their last breath. That’s a lesson you won’t forget. ***************

That has got to be one of the stupidest comments on smoking I have ever heard...

I worked on an oncology unit...Have you ever seen a young man die of acute leukemia, how about an alcoholic dying of cirrhosis of the liver...I have seen liver cancer patients last hours bleeding from ever hole in their body including their eyes. Changing the bedding and finding clots as big as your fist....and they are conscious until they take their last breath...I have seen a 7 year old child die of brain cancer, a 5 year old with Wilms tumor..If your going to mouth off, know something first.....

Yep, you made one really stupid comment.....

37 posted on 09/22/2009 8:24:27 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: blackminorca
That simply is not true. Pancreatic, colon, and breast cancer deaths are lower among smokers.

That simply is not true.

38 posted on 09/22/2009 8:33:10 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: Apercu
I do hope your sister adjusts meds on doctors orders...lasix is a potent medication. Is she also on potassium, that is important when on lasix because it depletes your electrolytes...which can affect the heart beating..and also the feelings of fatigue

You and your sister have my sympathy, because taking care of your own mother is a tough job...and to you guys you will always be her little kids....(I keep having to remind myself how old my kids are when I want to open my mouth) Its not easy. :O) and they are all 40 or over...

39 posted on 09/22/2009 8:34:19 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: jacquej
I have been smoking for well over 40 years... rarely have colds, flu, or other minor illnesses. Second hand smoke doesn’t seem to be very effective against Parkinson’s, I guess.

I quit a year ago after 50 years of smoking, I figured I was pushing my luck.

I still chew occasionally, I've seen no reports yet from the nanny staters that second hand spit is harmful.

40 posted on 09/22/2009 8:43:07 PM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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