Got into a pointless debate with a few liberals after a party.
Long story short, all of my points based on real science weren’t valid because I wasn’t a scientist, and although they weren’t scientists either their position was that scientific consensus supported their argument. Of course, points refuting scientific consensus were invalid because people who were against Anthropological Global Warming were religious nut cases.
Yes, I realize the whole debate was futile, but there was undecided in their group and they deserved to hear that there was a great deal more information out there than what he was led to believe was true. I think I got through on some points but if those liberals are his friends, then chances are he’ll have to eventually convert to their way of thinking all the way or they’ll shun him.
Science is not about finding consensus.
Science is about questioning consensus.
Politics, on the other hand,...
When confronted with Gorebal Warming fear, I bring up the fact that around 1000 AD the Vikings grew grain in Greenland (which is now under permafrost). Then I ask them about the shrinking ice caps on Mars.
all young growing plants say:
C02, its whats for supper !
coco, et al, get ahold of the video “The Great Global Warming Swindle”. its available on amazon, but apparently now takes some time to get a copy... i got 3 last Christmas for me & family.
i highly recommend this film. its all facts & contains some extra excerpts from interviews w various experts including one who was an iccp contributor at one point. he had to threaten a law suit to get his name off their contributor list. also a co-founder of greenpeace states that living things are abundant & thriving where its warm & very limited where there is frost. frost kills. compare animal population densities at Sao Paulo Brazil to Antarctic research stations.
it was available on revver.com as a downloadable or watch on site movie... its there now but there website gave me an error & wouldn’t load it...
good hunting.
its on youtube
“The Great Global Warming Swindle”
they will think you are nuts but it is true.
http://www.epa.gov/gmpo/edresources/pleistocene.html
The EPA gives numbers when we will be 'officially' back into glaciation but we will be totally screwed long before that. first signs of glaciation will be world wide drought more so then noticeable cold weather.
You never know. You might have planted a seed of doubt in one those people's minds. The problem with many libs is that they don't doubt what their leaders tell them. And they don't really dig much themselves. A little reality thrown into their faces might be a good thing.
Next time you get into such a discussion, tell your friends that you KNOW a scientist personally who has been working on this subject for over a decade- me, who states flat out that the IPCC and the climate models are WRONG. In fact, one of the major climate modelers recently admitted they are wrong. I tell you that there are many more scientists who agree with me than with alGore; the IPCC is a political organization, not a scientific one. Tell them about the firestorms raging in the American Chemical Society due to their journal editor writing “science is settled” silliness. The American Physical Society is similarly under attack for their stupid philosophy. The Australians came over to consult with the US gov’t about the “science” and when they returned to Australia, they reversed their “climate change” CO2 restrictions because the science is so lacking. Japanese, Russian, Canadian, and many other nations are completely in disagreement with the IPCC.
Use me, a scientist you know who has studied the subject at length, for credibility.
Experiences such as you describe inspired my latest tagline.