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Christian hotel owners face ruin after 'defending their faith' in row with a Muslim guest
Daily Mail ^ | Sept. 20, 2009 | Liz Hull

Posted on 09/20/2009 6:38:12 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

It started as a religious discussion over the breakfast table at a private hotel.

Several months later, the Christian owners face ruin after a Muslim guest complained that she had been insulted.

Ben and Sharon Vogelenzang are being prosecuted under controversial public order laws designed to target yobbish and abusive behaviour on the streets.

If convicted they face a fine of up to £5,000 and a criminal record. They have also lost 80 per cent of their bookings and have been forced to put the business up for sale.

The charges relate to a heated conversation the couple had with the guest at their hotel in Liverpool in March. On her final morning before checking out, she came down to breakfast wearing a hijab, the traditional Muslim headdress.

The unnamed woman had been staying at the Bounty House Hotel near Aintree racecourse for four weeks while receiving treatment at a local hospital, but the couple had never seen her wear her religious clothing before.

It is alleged they suggested that Mohammad, the founder of Islam, was a warlord when the guest challenged them about their Christian beliefs. The woman also claims that the couple, who vehemently deny the allegations and say they were simply defending their faith, described her traditional dress as a form of bondage.

The guest complained to police and the Vogelenzangs were charged with using 'threatening, abusive or insulting words' which were ' religiously aggravated'.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: europeanchristians; mhmmdnsm09202009; ukmuslims
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1 posted on 09/20/2009 6:38:12 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY
God save the Queen Ummah.
2 posted on 09/20/2009 6:40:55 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Muslim can say whatever the hell they want, Christians better shut or jail.

Yeah Mom, you were right. I never imagined Christian persecution in western nations, but you were right. I guess all we really did need to know was “It is written”.


3 posted on 09/20/2009 6:42:04 PM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What a nanny state. Whether or not the attempt to dissuade the woman about Mad Mo was wisely undertaken, is besides the point here.


4 posted on 09/20/2009 6:42:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Love me, love my cat.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
It is alleged they suggested that Mohammad, the founder of Islam, was a warlord when the guest challenged them about their Christian beliefs.

Ping for later.

5 posted on 09/20/2009 6:42:34 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (...We never faced anything like this...we only fought humans.)
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To: Alex Murphy

This may not have been the wisest way to witness of Christ, but the state has no business in this dispute.


6 posted on 09/20/2009 6:44:48 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Love me, love my cat.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
but the state has no business in this dispute.

= "click..click"

7 posted on 09/20/2009 6:49:17 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam: Bringing the world death and destruction for 1400 years!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Would the penalty for simply shooting the guest been less?


8 posted on 09/20/2009 6:51:29 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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...they suggested that Mohammad, the founder of Islam, was a warlord when the guest challenged them about their Christian beliefs. The woman also claims that the couple, who vehemently deny the allegations and say they were simply defending their faith, described her traditional dress as a form of bondage.
No guns allowed in Britain, but certainly they have steak knives, right?
9 posted on 09/20/2009 6:53:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Unlike in the US, British judges don’t have life tenure - they serve at the pleasure of the ruling party. This isn’t a random event - it’s a consequence of prosecutors and judges hand-picked by PM Gordon Brown’s Labor Party.


10 posted on 09/20/2009 6:57:50 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Hotel owners should make potential guests waive their right to sue for such things, as a condition of their stay.


11 posted on 09/20/2009 6:59:37 PM PDT by Tax Government
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This is true tyranny. You can bet that the Muslims would get off scott free had they insulted Christian beliefs. They should just take the “Great” out of Great Britain.


12 posted on 09/20/2009 6:59:50 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: autumnraine

They will attempt this here in America as well.


13 posted on 09/20/2009 7:00:51 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: SunkenCiv
they suggested that Mohammad, the founder of Islam, was a warlord

I would have thought this to be a non-controversial claim, somewhat along the lines of claiming Jesus of Nazareth was an itinerant religious teacher.

Big Mo, of course, was not just a warlord. By any standard he is one of the most important figures in history.

14 posted on 09/20/2009 7:01:27 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

People should support them and book rooms, just for them speaking the truth.


15 posted on 09/20/2009 7:02:27 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: autumnraine

If you are renting rooms, best to just smile and be on your way.

Getting in a fight with the renters is bad for business.

Whatever the cause.


16 posted on 09/20/2009 7:14:17 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Read ‘The Abolition of Britain’ by Peter Hitchens.


17 posted on 09/20/2009 7:14:42 PM PDT by relictele
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Betcha, betcha, betcha the gubmint was picking up for the tab at the hospital too. England is on the ropes.


18 posted on 09/20/2009 7:14:59 PM PDT by BigFinn (Obamanation then Obamaggedon.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

England? They still around? I thought the country is now Englandistan ...


19 posted on 09/20/2009 7:19:56 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Sender

Thuggery!


20 posted on 09/20/2009 8:00:44 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find! - I am Joe Wilson.)
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