Posted on 09/20/2009 6:10:19 AM PDT by gusopol3
Metro Delivers Hundreds of Thousands to 9/12 Rally Posted September 15th, 2009 at 4.58pm in Ongoing Priorities.
Much has been made over the attendance at the march and rally in DC on September 12. Reports varied, with many on the left clinging to an unofficial DC Fire Department estimate of 60,000 to 70,000. Some reports from overseas went as far as to say two million. However, one completely objective source of information is the number of people who rode Metro, Washington, DCs mass transit subway system. Washington Metro measures and releases its ridership numbers and these numbers have been used in the past to judge the size of major events in Washington, DC.
For a fair comparison, we looked at the Saturday after Labor Day in 2008, which is when September 12 fell in 2009. On September 12, 2009, 437,624 rode metro rail. By comparison, on the Saturday after Labor Day in 2008, 202,528 rode. The difference is 235,096. Even if nobody else came to the March, and we know they did by chartered bus and by carpool, the theory that only 70,000 people were there is off by roughly 335% - debunking the 70,000 claim. To take it a step further for comparison, we also looked at the attendance for President Obamas Inauguration in January 2009. Convential wisdom estimates that attendance for the inaugural was between 800,000 and 1.8 million, or an average of 1.3 million. If you compare Metro riders on Martin Luther King Day 2008, the similarly situated federal holiday in January to the Inauguration in 2009, approximately 975,000 additional people rode metro for the Inauguration. If you compare 975,000 additional metro riders as a percentage of the 1.3 million total who attended and you do the same for 235,000 additional metro riders for the 9/12 March, than at least 313,000 went downtown for the explicit purpose of marching against out-of-control government spending on September 12. This assumes a similar percentage of attendees took buses, cabs, drove in, walked, etc.
If you believe the number was 1.8 million at the Inauguration and you do the same for 9/12, then the number is 433,000. So is an estimate of 313,000 to 433,000 attendees accurate? Well, it is certainly an unbiased and impartial start to understanding the debate over crowd size. The bottom line is that hundreds of thousands of Americans who were upset with government spending, a failed stimulus, a government takeover of health care, and a massive energy tax came with their parents, children, grandparents, cousins, college roommates, etc. to a multi-generational and peaceful family protest in Washington.
No question they had made extraordinary preparation for inauguration crowd control and facilitation of large numbers of attendees.
where is the source for this alleged fire department estimate. it sounds more like an internet rumor
You should send a copy to O’Reilly. I heard him say “70,000” again to correct Chris Wallace.
We were there also and the turnstyles were open when our massive group went through also. Can someone explain how an accurate count could be obtained with those open and no count able to be done. It would seem the great aerial phots would belie the low numbers!
Most excellent point.
I, too, was near the National Botanical Garden (site of the only non-porta potty), and left the rally just before 2:00pm. I walked to the Capitol South Metro station and, lo and behold, people were still arriving!
We waited for 45 minutes to use the restroom in the botanical Garden Bldg.! Oh well we took the time to admire the flora of our surroundings.
The men's line moved much quicker. I heard numerous reports that women were deperately gate crashing into the men's room.
It’s, it’s, it’s like the miracle of the loaves and fishes. The completely objective, truth-dedicated MSM told us there were only 70,000 and yet so many rode the Metro. I guess each person there rode back and forth maybe 6 times and those that drove their cars, like the woman we met up with who had been raised in Northeast, and parked in her old neighborhood, must have ridden back and forth on Metro many timse when we weren’t with her and done so for no reason at all.
We let the pregnant woman go to the front of the line. Yep some brave woman used the mensroom. Not me... I waited patiently, talking to a group from St. Louis. Great bunch of folks!
This is direct, clear evidence that the press is lying to us. They were not merely ignoring the evidence but patently lying to our faces when they said “60,000 to 70,000” or the more generic “tens of thousands.”
But this story is “old news” now so they don’t need to mention anything further about it. Take comfort in the fact that we know how the history books will record the 9/12 protest, despite their nefarious efforts.
The upside, however, is that over a million people came to Washington, D.C., in an unorganized protest WITHOUT the media telling us about it! We did this on our own!
Same with the ACORN videos and Van Jones and (someday) the birth certificate thing. And if Glenn Beck really is the “targeting director” for this grassroots force, then the Apollo Alliance will be next down the chute.
Take heart in the fact that the alternative media works. Word does get out, so long as we’re allowed to keep our Internet access.
Fox’s main drawback relative to CNN is lack of boots on the ground in terms of # of reporters; nonetheless, you’d think they could come up with some credible independent reporting on this rather than parroting ridiculous low ball estimates , even as late as 9/18 on BOR, namely after this article and metro #s are public knowledge.
Somebody tell Charles at Little Green Footballs. He seems to think that only a handful showed up on 9-12 and keeps beating the drum. I thought at one time LGF leaned to the right but it has really taken a left turn. Guess that explains why I was banned.
Maybe they didn’t know where the rally was???
Note this comment from the linked Heritage article:
Kenneth Happel, Vista, CA writes:
I was the medical coordinator for the event. I believe that there were at least a million people there and a million and a half would be my best bet.
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I dont know where the official estimate quoted as 60,000 comes from. The event permit, and Chief Lyles fire department resource allocation, was based upon 50,000 (because we couldnt prove more beforehand)and that number of people was supposed to be contained in the central section of the west lawn between the sidewalks extending from the freedom and grant statues.
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I counted the crowd entering Penn. Ave. to determine how many first aid team people were needed and where. I made my count at Freedom Plaza after the police radio had indicated that the front of the march had reached Capital Circle. I used the following method. We counted the number of people stretching across Penn. Ave. from curb to curb for a distance down the street of ten feet. That number was divided in half (assuming that there were variations in how tightly people were packed)and multiplied by the number of ten foot intervals from Freedom Park to Capitol Circle. At 8:00 the count was 200,000. I inserted a medical team at that point and when it reached Capitol Circle the whole avenue had filled again and I inserted my team. So at about 9:30 the total attendance from the march was, conservatively, about 400,000. The avenue continued to pumo in people fopr another two hours. So I estimate about 600,000 came through that route.
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There was also a very large stream that filled the whole street from the train station to Capitol circle and people that came on the underground said that it was simply packed with people coming out at the protest site (both these flows were not part of the march).
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The National Park Service published its estimating method in USA Today, when they provided an estimate for President Obamas inaguration. That method estimates by filled area.
The west lawn (all three sections were filled solid with little space between people)the shoulders around the building and the area directly around the reflecting pool is 240,000 by the NPS estimating method. The mall from the reflecting pool to the cross street before the Washington Monument is 940,000 according to the NPS. The first section of the mall nearest the Washingon Monument was reserved for the NAACPs Family event. Our folks, at the height of the event, stretched from the cross street before the NAACP event all the way to the relfecting pool and were packed. I would guess that its 4/5 of the 940,000 or 750,000 people together thats a million. Then there was the area from first street to third street (third street goes to the train station). First street was so crowded the police had to clear it. The crowd also filled most of the area around and between the museums on each side, with the greatest density in the half of the mall nearest the reflecting pool. You could easily add another half million with these two areas.
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Thats how I came to an estimate of one to one and a half million.
Under no possible stretch of the imagination or should I say contraction of the imagination were there only 60,000. To see crowd outline on the National Park Service estimator go to my facebook page kenneth happel and look at the photos.
I have a liberal friend who is ranting about Fox News alleged fabrication and subsuquent ad saying the MSM wasn’t there and didn’t cover the 9-12 protests. And how CNN was there with coverage bla blah blah.
Coverage is one thing. But fair coverage of the facts, and the real reasons behind the march overrides just what lieberals call coverage.
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