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To: betty boop
Both embraced the Creator God which at the very least we can say is an Old Testament concept.

The Old Testament mythology has its god as an over-dramatic individual, DIRECTLY interfering in human affairs.

Deism is the polar opposite of such a concept- in that its main ideology is that there is no such interference- a mere stepping stone to formal Atheism.

28 posted on 09/18/2009 11:54:34 AM PDT by OldSpice
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To: OldSpice
The Old Testament mythology has its god as an over-dramatic individual, DIRECTLY interfering in human affairs.

Sadly, you are so clueless you don't realize that the New Testament also depicts a God who directly intervenes in human affairs, to the point of becoming one of us.

203 posted on 09/19/2009 6:00:15 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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To: OldSpice
Deism is the polar opposite of such a concept- in that its main ideology is that there is no such interference

You are correct, this is why a key founder such as Jefferson cannot rightly be called Deist:

And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever . . . .
-Notes on the State of Virginia

Not exactly the words of a man who thinks God never interferes.

To be fair, most of the founders were nominal Christians...not evangelical (the evangelical/liberal split had not yet occurred in Protestant Christianity), with a few Deists--the fashionable philosophy of the day--sprinkled amidst them. It was scandalous however to even be accused of being Deistic, and various ones denied the charge...

While I would agree Deism--socialogically--is a "stepping stone" to atheism (an absent God affects you no more now than a non-existent one), still, for its adherents, it is different.

The key relevant difference for our founders is--they believed our rights were made by God, embedded in our very nature. No atheist can logically argue that.

491 posted on 09/21/2009 8:35:26 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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