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South Africa considers 'shoot to kill' policing ahead of World Cup
guardian.co.uk ^ | Sept. 16, 2009 | David Smith

Posted on 09/16/2009 11:35:56 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

South Africa is considering the introduction of zero tolerance policing ahead of next year's football World Cup, making it easier for officers to "shoot to kill" suspected criminals.

The proposal has raised fears of a return to "apartheid-era policing", with officers having the right to shoot fleeing suspects in the back.

The change in tone has come with the appointment of a new national police commissioner, Bheki Cele, who has been called a "cowboy" with a penchant for pinstripe suits and panama hats.

The plain-speaking Cele has called for a change in legislation that would allow police to open fire on suspects without having to worry about "what happens after that".

He received backing this week from Nathi Mthethwa, the country's police minister. "We are tired of waving nice documents like the constitution and the human rights charter in criminals' faces," Mthethwa said. "We are going to meet these thugs head on, and if it means we kill when we shoot, then so be it."

South Africa has one of the highest crime rates in the world, with an average of 50 murders a day. More than one person a day is shot by police, according to the country's Independent Complaints Directorate.

Mthethwa's remarks came the day after police gunned down six armed robbers outside Pretoria as they attacked a cash transit van.

The current law allows police to use lethal force only if their lives or the lives of innocent bystanders are in danger. They are not allowed to shoot at fleeing suspects, as they were before the constitutional court struck down the apartheid-era version of the Criminal Procedure Act.

Mthethwa denied that revisions to the law, to be presented to the South African parliament soon, would allow the police to apply their own brand of rough justice.

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1 posted on 09/16/2009 11:35:56 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

On a yellow card or a red card?


2 posted on 09/16/2009 11:37:24 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

That’s got to be awfully tempting in that hell hole.


3 posted on 09/16/2009 11:37:43 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Unashamed Sarah-Bot.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

LOL That is going to take all the fun out of it.


4 posted on 09/16/2009 11:38:41 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Mthethwa denied that revisions to the law...would allow the police to apply their own brand of rough justice.

Uh huh... nodding up and down with very skeptical look on face

5 posted on 09/16/2009 11:39:23 AM PDT by John123 (If Teddy was the lion of the senate... then we were the prey.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“South Africa has one of the highest crime rates in the world, with an average of 50 murders a day. More than one person a day is shot by police, according to the country’s Independent Complaints Directorate.”

You know what will take care of that problem, don’t ya?....gun control.


6 posted on 09/16/2009 11:41:19 AM PDT by SandWMan ( A riot ist an ugly sing, und, I sink it's about time zat ve had vone!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Could be bad news for the English Soccer hooligans.

Of course South Africa is kind of a haul if you’ve got to be back on Monday morning to your place of unemployment.


7 posted on 09/16/2009 11:41:34 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
with an average of 50 murders a day

Good God

That's worse then most war zones

8 posted on 09/16/2009 11:43:00 AM PDT by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property)
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To: Owl_Eagle

you’ll find most lads who have kicked it off have some great jobs with very high wages and live in very nice areas with nice houses .

It is the usual old days of the media who used to try and say it was a bunch of unemployed bored lads.

Now a days it is nothing to what it was and most of the time it is other countries looking to cause trouble with the English so they think they get a reputation .
Difference is that these idiots go for the normal fan instead of lads willing to fight.
They think beating up a lad with his girlfriend is somewhat great so they can tell their friends how they got to beat an English fan of course forgetting how there was 15 pof them and only one of the other


9 posted on 09/16/2009 11:44:59 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Blue Jays
Newspapers love to say "shoot to kill" when it will technically be "shoot to stop the fight" whether immediately or in the near future.
10 posted on 09/16/2009 11:44:59 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Every team going to that cesspool should bring a large security force.


11 posted on 09/16/2009 11:45:00 AM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Why would anyone ever pull the trigger unless they intended to kill?


12 posted on 09/16/2009 11:48:48 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Free ThinkerNY

South Africa is one big basket case....and there was a lot of crime committed on fans and media by RSA citizens while in the country for this past Confederations Cup (a dress rehearsal for next year’s World Cup)

I got a feeling that it will be quite nasty in South Africa next year. And these incompetent Children of Apartheid will end up shooting more soccer fans than criminals. And Peter Gabriel wont be singing liberal whine-songs about the victims...


13 posted on 09/16/2009 11:48:48 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (America is still great....no matter what Globalists, Communists, Anti-Birthers, Terrorists think)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This sounds like something that should be done in most cities in the USA.


14 posted on 09/16/2009 11:49:42 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Culling the herd/


15 posted on 09/16/2009 12:01:30 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
I have been looking forward to the Cup, but not for the reason everyone else is.

It's gonna be a bloodbath!

16 posted on 09/16/2009 12:28:28 PM PDT by I Buried My Guns
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Second thoughts.
What are the odds that a lot of the “criminals” shot will be white farmers or the like?


17 posted on 09/16/2009 1:19:06 PM PDT by Little Ray (Obama is a kamikaze president aimed at the heart of this Republic.)
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