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To: Uncle Sham

Also...Isn’t there the criminal aspect of **fraud**?

I would think that it would be criminal to hold oneself up as a natural born citizen, collect millions of dollars, and when one is **not** indeed a natural born citizen.

I would also think that being natural born is an intrinsic quality, just as being a black man or white woman is fundamental to one’s being and can not be created by the whim of any legislative body. A thousand Electoral Colleges can vote a person president, but if he is not natural born, he will **always** be a fraud if occupying the White House as president.


60 posted on 09/15/2009 8:28:29 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: wintertime

As a matter of fact, yes, it is a big "no no" for a civilian to impersonate a military officer (ie. the Commander in Chief). See US. Code Title 18,912. (click) ... Three years in a Federal pokey kind of "no no".


69 posted on 09/15/2009 8:34:57 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: wintertime; Uncle Sham
I would also think that being natural born is an intrinsic quality, just as being a black man or white woman is fundamental to one’s being and can not be created by the whim of any legislative body. A thousand Electoral Colleges can vote a person president, but if he is not natural born, he will **always** be a fraud if occupying the White House as president.

Precisely.

Some posters here have erroneously said: "There are only two kinds of citizens: natural-born and naturalized" (and then they often go on to say that born on American soil = citizen at birth = natural born).

They are mistaken.

It is true there are only two kinds of citizens.

However, those two kinds are:

citizen by NATURE (i.e. natural born); and

citizen by STATUTE (this includes naturalized and those "citizens from birth" born on the nation's soil).

A citizen by nature is natural-born, he is undisputedly and undoubtedly a citizen, he needs NO statute of any kind to explain or clarify his citizenship.

It's so simple, and yet so many posters here seem to misunderstand this.

76 posted on 09/15/2009 8:38:25 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: wintertime

Good post and an excellent retort their argument.


81 posted on 09/15/2009 8:43:26 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: wintertime; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; ...

~~~Sounds logical to me .. like you can’t be a little bit
pregnant ........... PING!


106 posted on 09/15/2009 9:17:41 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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