HCR is not just about rationing and wealth redistribution. It's about the end of all individual rights as the corrosive effects of the new collectivist basic human right to health care spreads throughout the legal and political system like a virus.
Posted on 09/14/2009 10:19:01 PM PDT by Steelfish
Healthcare Reform Wins Over Doctors Lobby
The American Medical Assn., once opposed to any government overhaul, now has more to gain, including a proposal worth billions of dollars to physicians.
Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Beverly Hills), chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, defends changes to Medicare reimbursements that would benefit doctors. (Manuel Balce Ceneta / Associated Press) [Pic in URL]
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Hmmmm.....well this could be like the UAW making decisions, and endorsements, that the overwhelming majority of their rank-and-file do not agree with one iota.
I thought they were already in the tank, like the AARP.
The AMA represents only 17% of Dr.s Like AARP, they have betrayed thier members.
The doctors I know are boiling mad at the AMA. The leadership tends to be left wing ivory tower types. The editor of JAMA has been a reliable anti-gun hack, routinely publishing even the flimsiest of epidemiological evidence against firearms. On the Obamacare issue they have sold their profession down the river.
Are they dumb or what?
The doctors I know will probably quit. We will end up with unionized ACORN doctors and ACORN nurses if this thing passes. It will be vo-tech and voo doo healthcare.
In Russia a doctor and janitor made the same. The doctor got his job because he was a party hack.
The AMA has a membership of 17% of physicians.
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I've puzzled for a decade over why it is a lobbying group as potentially all-powerful, as potential Galtish as professional medicine, would constantly bend over for the trial lawyers. It's not so difficult to understand, really, though it's shameless and everyone should confront doctors personally about this, at every opportunity. We may have to resort to ridicule, as they are easy targets.
Doctors are scientists, and as a group and individually they neither understand nor can tolerate politics. Over the past forty years, or so, they have built a wall around themselves that separates them from their patients and the lawyers. Only lately have they begun to lend their tedious muffled objections to the screw jobs they've been on the receiving end of for so long.
How else to explain the fact they can keep on seeing patients when immediately after saving a mans life, sometimes days after having a man's beating heart literally in their hands, they can keep going after receiving word they're being sued by the person they saved?
They just threw their hands up, and are incredibly enamored with their own lobbying organs, unprepared to believe the dues they have been paying in that direction have been de facto payments to the Democrats.
His Illegitimacy laid it all out in his lying speech, last week, when he actually dared to compare a state requirement to hold liability insurance to use the roads with mandatory health insurance. This will be the last group to respond when people like me do what we simply must if this mandatory health insurance premium is passed into federal law.
I'm prepared to go to jail, if necessary. I will refuse to comply, to pay fines, to obey court orders, etc. I don't fear their apparent inevitable passage of some mandatory requirement, because I won't comply. If fined, I won't pay. If jailed, I won't be alone.
This may be what it takes to get these people to understand that some of us are unwilling to give up our liberties, even if it means jail or death.
Congress and the President can go straight to hell, for all I care. I will die free rather than live a slave to idolatry.
Specialty doctors displeased with American Medical Association Representation
27. August 2009
The American Society of Medical Doctors (ASMD) today released additional results from a nationwide, nonpartisan poll of physicians showing that 86 percent of specialty doctors feel that the American Medical Association has become too political and has lost touch with the doctors it is supposed to represent.
Chairman of the ASMD, Alfred O. Bonati, M.D., said that, “Quality representation of doctors in Washington, DC has never been more important than it is today. Sadly, an overwhelming majority of specialty physicians believe that this group has lost touch.”
Dr. Bonati cited a disconnect between doctors’ professional priorities and the representation offered by the AMA: “The AMA is putting the future of our profession at risk by supporting health-care reform proposals that would slowly-but-surely erode the ability of doctors to honor our pledge - the Hippocratic oath - by creating a new government-run insurance plan.”
“Ask any doctor who has been denied or given minimal reimbursement by Medicare or Medicaid for a course of treatment that best fits the needs of a patient and that patient’s family whether the government understands our oath,” Bonati said. “We know that they do not.”
The poll also revealed that a full 99 percent of specialty physicians believe that trial lawyers have a negative impact on medicine in the United States.
“The fact that medical liability reform is not part of the current health-care reform proposals in Congress is stunning to me and to most doctors,” Bonati said. “This gaping hole in so-called reform efforts must be addressed.”
Initial results of the poll, released last week, revealed that:
70 percent of specialty doctors oppose current Congressional and White House proposals for health-care reform;
66 percent believe that a government-run health insurance plan would restrict doctors’ ability to give the best advice and offer the best care possible to their patients; and
More than 60 percent would not accept new patients with government insurance (including 27% who would not accept any patients on the new government plan).
how many time can this obama newsletter reprint this fax from waxman’s office ? the ama is a dying organization that represents a few hard core leftist docs .
“Only between 25-30% of the approximately 800,000 doctors in the country belong to it (AMA). And a good percentage (up to half of members according to one report) of those include residents and medical students, who get big discounts on membership and a free subscription to a journal when they join.”
agreed...
the AMA - what a sad relic. They still have the audacity of sending out stupid fliers on disability etc. STRAIGHT to trash.
Not all are behind the AMA
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Health Care Reform (HCR) is a direct assault on individual liberties. I think that is its main purpose.
That means that health care providers have no individual rights. The collective right of the people to receive health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set their fees, their hours or change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it is a right that is provided by the government to all not protected by the government as something possessed by each person. It is also a state right because it supersedes the individual rights of others when the two come into conflict.
It isn't stated in any of the bills that a patient's rights to care supersedes a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights are always adjudicated in the courts. The legislation simply establishes the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the patient's collective right to health care.
Weiner’s view is collectivist, fascist and totalitarian. Collectivist because it is superior to an individual right. Fascist because it is overseen by one entity the Federal government. Totalitarian because the Federal government is the true possessor of this collective right and the administrator and enforcer of it as well.
Congressman Weiner's view is the underlying philosophy of the entire Health Care Reform legislation the House and Senate have put forth. Consider the setting up of community watch dogs to monitor various health parameters of citizens in the Senate version of the bill. Look at pages 382 - 393.
TITLE I—QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS
Even the citizens themselves will be subject to state set regulations on their behavior in order to fulfill the human right of universal health care. It isn't the individual's liberty that is being protected by that it is the state's control over its health care system that is being guarded. How much clearer can it be that these bills abrogate the concept of individual rights?
Health Care is a Liberty Issue Conservative Underground - 18 August 2009 - Tim Dunkin
Second Bill of Rights aka FDR's economic bill of rights (An early attempt to embed collective rights into American politics and society.)
Another Stupid Argument: Heath Care is a Right
Obama's Authoritarian, Unconstitutional Health Care Proposal
“The editor of JAMA has been a reliable anti-gun hack”
I wonder why a doctor’s journal would bother about gun policy. I realize guns cause medical problems, but so do a host of things. They don’t pursue anti-car or anti-booze campaigns, I’ll bet.
I doubt if they’ve done any write-ups on five gallon plastic buckets either.
Good to know my tax dollars can buy their support for ideas that will send more of my tax dollars to them.
Obamacare is splitting the AMA apart. And that is with their limited membership of about 20-25% of Docs.
I’m an RN. The Amer. Nurses’ Assoc was at the WH last week. They’re even worse: they have a membership of 5% of the nation’s 3.5 million nurses.
5%. That’s a (leftist, socialist, union-filled) statistical outlier - and nothing more.
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