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To: Nephi

Marxism and Fascism share many similarities. Both are forms of Socialism. Under Marxism, there is a control of the means of production by the proletariat, which would be the workers. Syndicalism, which is what the union structure is based on, modifies this by controlling the workers through forced unions and collectivist co-opts. Finally, full=blown Fascism marries these unions and co-opts to the government, creating a monolithic authority.

Isn’t this what 0bama is doing?
The “bailouts” didn’t simply turn the companies over to the workers, giving them all a stake in the automakers.
It turned them over to the unions, specifically, and gave the State the controlling authority. If this isn’t textbook Fascism, I don’t know what is. Even Hitler was less overt than that.

Now 0bama wants to apply the Syndicalist model to healthcare, by establishing healthcare co-opts. These co-opts will be one manufactured ‘crisis’ away from Fascist consolidation under the State. Think Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.


144 posted on 09/14/2009 5:58:21 PM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: counterpunch
Under Marxism, there is a control of the means of production by the proletariat, which would be the workers.

The workers NEVER control the means of production. The Marxist elite may propagandize it that way, but the party elite have the real control. The government doesn't even have the ultimate power...the people who own the government/politicians do, so there will always be the corporate/government alliance.

Think Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

I don't disagree that Fannie and Freddie are fascist. Obama wants to take over the entire health care industry, 1/6th of the ECONOMY in a unprecedented way. The "proletariat" has become the "uninsured." We're not talking about a mere corporate takeover here. You've seen the Republican chart of the government take over, right? That is not a corporation working in conjunction with the government...that is the government in total control, whether it is called "public option" or "co-op." "Co-op" is a euphemism for government control, just like "worker owned" is a euphemism for government control. Right now, Obama wants to give the Federal Reserve unlimited power...I would agree that that is fascism. By the way, Obama has appointed a union leader to the Federal Reserve Board of Directors.

242 posted on 09/14/2009 7:06:38 PM PDT by Nephi ( Who is Jane Burgermeister? Clue: youtube)
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