Posted on 09/14/2009 5:01:13 PM PDT by seanmerc
RUSH: And you enjoyed it for all the reasons that you've mentioned. But we've gotta be really, really careful here, Dana, about this left versus right government thing. You mentioned third party, and we've been through this with Perot.
CALLER: I know that. I know that. And I think Perot helped Clinton get in, I don't doubt that. I do believe there has to be a huge movement before people can vote that way.
RUSH: But a third party is not going to do anything other but ensure the reelection of Obama and every other Democrat running for office because even if you come up with a charismatic third-party presidential candidate, still isn't going to have anybody of any significance running in that party for seats in Congress of the US Senate unless this movement happened to become the majority movement in the country, and that's not what's happening. I respectfully disagree with you here. I understand the anger at the Republican Party. Hell, I've got it, too. I've had it for a long, long time. But don't make the mistake of thinking this is not a left versus right thing. This is a conservative ascendancy that's going on out there. You didn't show up and protest like this when the Republicans were in power.
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The dirty little secret is the Reagan was also a big domestic spending and taxer both as governor and president.
The workers NEVER control the means of production. The Marxist elite may propagandize it that way, but the party elite have the real control. The government doesn't even have the ultimate power...the people who own the government/politicians do, so there will always be the corporate/government alliance.
Think Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
I don't disagree that Fannie and Freddie are fascist. Obama wants to take over the entire health care industry, 1/6th of the ECONOMY in a unprecedented way. The "proletariat" has become the "uninsured." We're not talking about a mere corporate takeover here. You've seen the Republican chart of the government take over, right? That is not a corporation working in conjunction with the government...that is the government in total control, whether it is called "public option" or "co-op." "Co-op" is a euphemism for government control, just like "worker owned" is a euphemism for government control. Right now, Obama wants to give the Federal Reserve unlimited power...I would agree that that is fascism. By the way, Obama has appointed a union leader to the Federal Reserve Board of Directors.
“Their revolt was against a state that sought to impose itself on the people.”
Which was a revolution built upon the Enlightenment.
“Pragmatism” isn’t usually the word used to describe taking a ideological leap (and yes, it was one) like that revolt.
Sounds like Beck is turning into a bi-partisan. Is this new or has he been doing this all along?
The majority of the GOP sucks right now, but there is abslutely no money or infrastructure to create a third party... in addition, you are not going to elect conservatives in California, New York, Vermont, or likely MA... and THAT is a problem... in CA a LOT of the problem is districting... change that and you might start to change their political landscape, that isn't third party, that is using your head and studying the problem and then attacking the problem, the party is the head, the problem is the heart and no one is thinking about fixing the heart...
The founders asserted that the very purpose of government, all government, is the protection of life and liberty. So, your post doesn’t make much sense in that context.
No again. We the people are in control of the tent.
“Another Newbee with your fresh DNC talking points.”
The DNC says many things, but I doubt they have “talking points” that say the GOP is too LIBERAL! Heck, they call GWB a “far-right conservative”!
There can’t be too many Americans - let alone actual conservatives - left in Southern California.
eh - i respectfully disagree - there was a time the party was united in small less intrusive, fiscally conservative government
“No again. We the people are in control of the tent.”
So, “We the people” as a whole decided the Northeast would decide the Primary?
You clearly have a very shallow view of politics in general.. donating to one or two people is not going to solve the problem or make any of us better than the other... when you figure out how to change Maine, MA, CA, then we may be getting somewhere... but in the meantime you have Charlie Crist nominate someone to fill in for Mel Martinez who is to the left of Obama and Crist, who is running for that seat, running in the lead in a so-called conservative-leaning Florida.. A third party is not going to solve that.. sending an army into Florida to help Rubio and then defeating Crist could be a big step forward, but unlike the ACORN people, most of us have jobs and can’t take months off to go to Florida or New Jersey, etc... instead of trying to destroy the GOP spend some time figuring out how to help the good people who want to run and win in those states...
“The workers NEVER control the means of production. The Marxist elite may propagandize it that way, but the party elite have the real control. The government doesn’t even have the ultimate power...the people who own the government/politicians do, so there will always be the corporate/government alliance.”
Nail/head.
Please tell me how that works. I vote in local elections for the most conservative candidates, including the candidates for the school board, the city council, the board of supervisors, etc.
I vote the same for state offices and the same again for national offices.
IN THE PRIMARIES, I vote for my ideal candidate, but when that candidate has lost to another less than ideal candidate, I have voted for that candidate AGAINST THE DEMOCRAT in the general election.
What I’m saying does not deny that.
Governments are necessary, precisely to protect life and liberty. One would have to be something of a libertarian or anarchist extremist to require no government at all.
I'm always amazed that people who believe like you do feel the need to destroy the very premises of American governance and liberty to try and defend your positions.
Our rights come from God. They are unalienable. No man gave them, no man can rightfully take them away. The purpose of government is to protect those rights.
Frederick Douglass called this the "ringbolt to our nation's destiny." Without these principles, there is no America.
San Diego has 3 great Conservative Republican congressmen including Marine Col. Rep. Duncan Hunter.
Your bunch trying to divide Republicans only prove you are Democrats.
Your bunch facilitated the Obama win
“also we didn’t have one decent candidate running last year and THAT helped McCain bubble to the top..
Sure we did. The RNC didn’t like either of them. Soros funded McCain AND Obama, however....
“The majority of the GOP sucks right now, but there is abslutely no money or infrastructure to create a third party...”
There’s no money to maintain the GOP, either. They may be liberals, but they are slightly more honest liberals who follow FEC rules. The Dems don’t have that problem. They’ll just print some and funnel it through a front organization.
“when you figure out how to change Maine, MA, CA,”
Only Maine, MA, and CA can do that. Especially since neither party will stop the the foreign conquest of CA....
When ?
1994 ? Hardly, I was there.
1980 ? Hardly, I was there too.
1970 ? Not Nixons’ Repubicans
1960 ? Ike was no libertarian
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1930 ? Hoover ? Nope.
1910 ? Not Teddy for sure.
Maybe Calvin Coolidge, possibly.
I've heard Glenn describe himself as a conservative with some libertarian leanings. He is not a Republican.
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