Posted on 09/11/2009 5:55:43 PM PDT by Scanian
In his September 9 address to Congress and the nation on health insurance, President Obama said that under his plan, individuals will be required to carry basic health insurance.
There is no clause in Article I of the Constitution authorizing Congress to craft legislation forcing individuals to purchase insurance.
Mr. Obama attempted to justify his intended federal intrusion on individual liberty by noting that states require drivers to carry auto insurance. Notwithstanding the difference between a requirement imposed on licensed individuals or machines as opposed to a mandate for everyone, he fails to recognize the distinction between federal and state powers.
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Carpetbagger, GOP-backstabber Romney:
"Me. I was first to impose this unconstitutional demand.
Me. I was first to make a death panel. Me. Me. "
"Dem Congresswoman Admits Obama Health Care Plan Will Destroy Private Health Insurance Industry"
"Romneys mistreatments a sick man, as Gov. Mitt Romney meets a medical marijuana patient"
You should expect nothing less, from a natural born sneak, cheat and liar! For that is the condition all Marxists operate within!
In order for a contract to be valid, it must be voluntary. You cannot be compelled under threat or coercion to enter into a contract with anyone, including government. Obama seeks to turn contract law upside down.
A drivers license is simply permission from government to do something that would otherwise be illegal. When you ask permission from government to engage in a licensed activity, such as driving, you must comply with all the conditions imposed by government. So auto insurance (traditionally, at least, a requirement to have liability insurance, not to protect yourself, but to protect others from your possible negligence) is one of the conditions for obtaining a drivers license. There is no compelled contract because the individual voluntarily agreed to the insurance requirement as a condition of securing the license.
So Obama's attempt to compel everyone to enter into contract for health insurance not only violates the Constitution, as the Article point out, but it is also an attack on the natural right to enter into contract because it subverts the requirement that a contract, absent a license or some privilege granted by government, must be a voluntary act on the part of the parties.
Cordially,
Then I for one shall sue to make the contract null and void.
I can only conclude there is a hidden reason.
I have found it. They want to unionize medicine, top to bottom. It is in the proposed bills!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Medicine will become like teachers in public schools, sorters and clerks in post offices, inspectors in airport security, assembly lines in auto plants, and other enterprises ruined by unionization. The last thing that will matter is you, the customer.
In the UK, there are 3.5 million NHS employees. What would that translate to here? 15 million? More?
SEIU is licking its chops in anticipation of all those new members. Couple socialized medicine with Card Check and they’ll have more than a bonanza to thank Hussein for.
That means that health care providers have no individual rights. The collective right of the people to receive health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set their fees, their hours or change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it is a right that is provided by the government to all not protected by the government as something possessed by each person. It is also a state right because it supersedes the individual rights of others when the two come into conflict.
It isn't stated in any of the bills that a patient's rights to care supersedes a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights are always adjudicated in the courts. The legislation simply establishes the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the patient's collective right to health care.
Weiners view is collectivist, fascist and totalitarian. Collectivist because it is superior to an individual right. Fascist because it is overseen by one entity the Federal government. Totalitarian because the Federal government is the true possessor of this collective right and the administrator and enforcer of it as well.
Congressman Weiner's view is the underlying philosophy of the entire Health Care Reform legislation the House and Senate have put forth. Consider the setting up of community watch dogs to monitor various health parameters of citizens in the Senate version of the bill. Look at pages 382 - 393.
TITLE IQUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS
Even the citizens themselves will be subject to state set regulations on their behavior in order to fulfill the human right of universal health care. It isn't the individual's liberty that is being protected by that it is the state's control over its health care system that is being guarded. How much clearer can it be that these bills abrogate the concept of individual rights?
Health Care is a Liberty Issue Conservative Underground - 18 August 2009 - Tim Dunkin
Second Bill of Rights aka FDR's economic bill of rights (An early attempt to embed collective rights into American politics and society.)
“If health care is a right then health care workers are slaves to that right who must serve it.”
Interesting that you bring that up. Yesterday I say my oncologist at Moffitt Cancer Center. He can into the exam room with his “team,” i.e. 4 young doctors. We discussed my case, which is an unusual one. I chatted with them while the “boss” did a physical exam. The health care controversy came up (it always does due to insurance controversies, etc)and I looked at the 4 youngsters and joked, “you should have studied law—you’d be less threatened right now.” They all looked at one another and started murmuring.
The oncologist then drew the session to a speedy close.
Good for you for bringing it up. I wish you the best in your health issues too.
Thank you.
I bring up the subject to the hospital employees every chance I get. And believe me, Hussein is lying like a rug when he says that doctors and nurses are on board with his “plan”—a plan that no one has seen.
The nurses are especially vocal. They often tell me in hushed tones that Obamacare will be a fiasco. I’ve gotten 3-4 of them to lurk here. And I email them articles that I think would interest them.
So far, no one there has defended the Dhimmi plan (HR 3200).
I’d love to be able to politicize the whole hospital! But I’ll settle for informing interested nurses and technicians one at a time so they can spread the word.
He said "We have great health care here (Rcky Mtn tourist/retirement town) but in Denver and out on the plains they are short of doctors blah blah blah."
I bit my tongue because I want to save my ammo for what I think may become a serious one-on-one between us about Mom's medications/diagnosis.
But I was thinking "You think you can keep practicing in this beautiful tourist destination while some other schmuck gets sent to a one-horse town 100 miles east of Denver?"
Typical liberal; he thinks he is too good to have the draconian restrictions of socialism applied to him. He probably moved here from Holland to get away from Euro-moron socialism. If the day ever comes that the gov starts assigning doctors to towns I should submit his name to the bureaucracy that does that.
1) for his own good later in life (the family),While this is universally seen as appropriate within the child/family relationship for developmental reasons, its application to society at large by some group within that society, or by one society to another, has been the cause of most social ferment throughout history.
2) for societys good (tribalism/socialism), or
3) for the good of the individuals in control of the society (totalitarianism).
1) examine the worlds dietary traditions as they exist through time,It is against the reality of their historical inertia that our attempts to change them can be accurately judged and more successfully planned. Such investigation cannot be carried out experimentally. It must be done through historical, anthropological, and statistical methodologies.13
2) pinpoint changes that have occurred (such as the introduction of maize, tomatoes, and potatoes to the rest of the world12; of refined--and therefore more easily digestible--sugars and grains; of bread to the Japanese diet; the proscription of pork in Judaism and Islam, the now-relaxed no meat on Friday in Catholicism),
3) discover the reasons for them (famine, plague, war, government, advertising, religion,), and
4) note the characteristics of resistance to change that have made them traditions in the first place.
We are a national resource of nutrition scientists which the promoters of questionable nutrition have convinced the public does not exist by fraudulently representing that doctors dont know any nutrition, so listen to us. We are seeing the mass marketing of misinformation.--Victor Herbert, M.D., J.D., Will questionable nutrition overwhelm nutrition science? in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 34: DECEMBER 1981, pp2848-2853.5. The Americans: the National Experience, Daniel J. Boorstin.
Such an approach is inconsistent with the nature of a free society.
That's you nailed the teacher's authoritarian, utopian mindset. There's nothing cynical about what you wrote. It's just realistic.
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"...For one reason or another, this mindset is oblivious to the fact that a fact (the descriptive) cannot lead directly to a command (the imperative). It is always mediated through the idea of what one ought to do (the prescriptive).1I recognized one of my favorite little books before I read the footnote:^)
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"8. Dirigist centralized government seems to have been a worldwide phenomenon during the first half of the 20th century. Its legacy in human suffering is unmatched in history. Of course, it didnt just happen. People with certain world-views labored intensely to bring into being a world defined by their ideas of what constitutes mans nature. Its instructive to note both the means they used to do it and the ends they used to justify them. See Modern Times: a History of the 20s to the 80s by Paul Johnson. "It bears repeating. They haven't changed. They're still at it.
Cordially,
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. Their very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be cured against ones will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.
C. S. Lewis, God in the Dock
Cordially
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. Their very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be cured against ones will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals. C. S. Lewis, God in the DockThe original plan for the United States:
"It is easy to think the State has a lot of different objects -- military, political, economic, and what not. But in a way things are much simpler than that. The State exists simply to promote and to protect the ordinary happiness of human beings in this life. A husband and wife chatting over a fire, a couple of friends having a game of darts in a pub, a man reading a book in his own room or digging in his own garden -- that is what the State is there for. And unless they are helping to increase and prolong and protect such moments, all the laws, parliaments, armies, courts, police, economics, etc., are simply a waste of time." --some other Lewis quote the origin of which I have not yet tracked down.
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