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Industry leaders announce new ratings system (Fox News killing them on Nielsen)
Live Feed ^ | Sep. 10, 2009 | unknown

Posted on 09/10/2009 10:55:13 AM PDT by Clinging Bitterly

The parent companies of all the major broadcast networks, along with several media buying agencies and advertisers announced Thursday the creation of a new all-encompassing TV ratings measurement system: The Coalition for Innovative Media Measurement (CIMM).

The group includes 14 companies (full list below) joining together to from a new data system and has been rumored for weeks.

The news has been viewed as a challenge to Nielsen Media Research as the most trusted source of advertiser data that determines the popularity of content, though CIMM executives bill the service as more of a compliment to Nielsen's ratings.

CIMM intends to measure TV ratings data cross multiple platform rather than just linear viewing.

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This is just too transparent. Comments at the site almost universally recognize why they want to do this - because counting actual viewers has FOX NEWS winning by a landslide.
1 posted on 09/10/2009 10:55:14 AM PDT by Clinging Bitterly
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To: Clinging Bitterly
The technology exists now to monitor just where a radio or TV is actually set. It very recently went into effect here on the radio and I understand it's really shaking things up. And it isn't necessarily helping talk radio.
2 posted on 09/10/2009 11:01:03 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Barack Obama is an old Kenyan word for Jimmy Carter)
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To: colorado tanker

I don’t listen to talk on the radio. Why tolerate poor reception and commercials when I can stream it? And how are they going to count people like me?


3 posted on 09/10/2009 11:05:13 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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To: Clinging Bitterly

It’s about time this happened. The Neilson’s are wildly inaccurate imo. It doesn’t measure the viewers that watch TV on the internet or Tivo.


4 posted on 09/10/2009 11:11:20 AM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Politicalmom

I’m with you. My new portable transister radio is my cell phone. Perfect reception everywhere for streaming broadcasts. In the car, I plug it in to bluetooth, and stream it over my car speakers, and if a call comes in, I can talk without holding the phones.


5 posted on 09/10/2009 11:13:31 AM PDT by Defiant (Baby Boomers: The first generation in human history to not want to become adults, and they haven't.)
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To: Politicalmom
And how are they going to count people like me?

I don't know, but I expect they aren't. I do know I regularly hear callers who like you are listening online. I suspect with a daytime show like Rush or our local Rosen a lot of people are streaming at work.

6 posted on 09/10/2009 11:13:34 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Barack Obama is an old Kenyan word for Jimmy Carter)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes
It’s about time this happened. The Neilson’s are wildly inaccurate imo. It doesn’t measure the viewers that watch TV on the internet or Tivo.

Since the Neilsens are there to figure out advertising rates, those watching on Tivo are lost causes because they likely skip the ads. Those watching online can be tracked individually and actually counted rather than sampled.

7 posted on 09/10/2009 11:14:11 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("I can run wild for six months ...after that, I have no expectation of success" - Admiral Obama-moto)
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To: colorado tanker
The technology exists now to monitor just where a radio or TV is actually set.

Not completely. Over the air is still dumb in that regard. But digital cable boxes and satellite boxes can report what you're watching. Cable boxes normally use the cable as a return medium, satellite boxes use your home phone line. (My DirecTV boxes don't do that because there's no phone line for them to use.)

With the right equipment, stray signals from nearby receivers CAN be sniffed out to see what programming is on, but that's not used for ratings purposes.

8 posted on 09/10/2009 11:21:00 AM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (He must fail.)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

No I think they are pretty accurate. You know the private sector has tons of backup data to confirm.

Neilson for sure is a benchmark and the benchmark says the MSM is getting absolutely creamed. The networks are at a loss of what to do so just like any other leftist group they find some way to cook the numbers.

Newsflash for them. It won’t work


9 posted on 09/10/2009 11:27:04 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: Defiant

Not to mention that I can offset the programs so I can go from Lee Rodgers to Rush to Fred Thompson to Jerry Doyle to Mark Levin with out a pause. :)

Actually, it’s only recently I’ve gone back to talk. I’ve been to depressed over the Obamanation for at least a year.


10 posted on 09/10/2009 11:28:03 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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To: Politicalmom

Ok, I don’t usually have so many typos.

“Without” and “too”, dummy!!


11 posted on 09/10/2009 11:30:04 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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To: Politicalmom
They'll count you when you make a connection via the internet. Not only can they count you, they can tell whether you watch the whole thing or stop in the middle. Knowing how many people stream a program is far easier than knowing how many people partake of it via radio waves/air waves and/or cable.
12 posted on 09/10/2009 11:32:17 AM PDT by FourPeas (Why does Professor Presbury's wolfhound, Roy, endeavour to bite him?)
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To: KarlInOhio
Yup. Counting online viewers/listeners is no problemo. I don't know if national radio shows like Rush & Beck actually gather the data from all the individual stations that stream them, but it's easily done. And those would be a fair count for advertising purposes since they usually play the same ads they put on the air.

On the other hand, TV networks usually have a seperate set of advertisers for their online content (in the case of on demand, at least). I would imagine those advertisers pay by the actual number of viewers recorded by the stream source. No need for a third party ratings service there.

13 posted on 09/10/2009 11:36:21 AM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (He must fail.)
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To: precisionshootist

Oh, don’t rain on their parade. Think how much fun it’ll be seeing lib industry advertise on lib media. No viewers means no buyers means no profits. Let ‘er rip.


14 posted on 09/10/2009 11:44:57 AM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: Defiant

Isn’t it expensive to listen to straming audio over a cell phone?


15 posted on 09/10/2009 1:21:51 PM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: Clinging Bitterly

here intent is made obvious with this:

“Networks have been frustrated with declining ratings as viewership patterns have changed due to DVRs, migration to cable and fans watching shows online. Moreover, networks have been looking for ways to cut costs, and having their own ratings outfit might be less expensive in the long run than continuing to pay Nielsen, which has managed to dominate the information marketplace for decades, largely without competition. Recent squabbles over delayed numbers and reporting accuracy have also marred relations between the companies.”
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Simply put they want to have a ratings system THEY control and since ratings equals advertising dollars they believe they can sell their crap to a gullible advertiser.


16 posted on 09/10/2009 1:28:11 PM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: Defiant

“In the car, I plug it in to bluetooth, and stream it over my car speakers, and if a call comes in, I can talk without holding the phones.”

Where are the plugs, on the bluetooth?


17 posted on 09/10/2009 1:50:23 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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Excuse me, I connect it to bluetooth, wiseguy.
18 posted on 09/10/2009 2:02:52 PM PDT by Defiant (Baby Boomers: The first generation in human history to not want to become adults, and they haven't.)
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To: 101voodoo
No, I have a family "everything" data plan that includes 3000 minutes of talk and unlimited use of data by all phones under the plan. It is a very good deal. The first two phones are $169/month, and the additional lines cost $20 each. You are only supposed to have 5 lines on this plan, but they overrode the system for me, and the additional lines also cost $20. That makes $269/month, but I get a 20 percent discount through my wife's employer, so we get about $54 off, for a total of about $215/month for 3000 minutes, 7 lines and unlimited data (which means texting, photo and voice text messages, TV, web browsing, youtube, and streaming audio, like radio shows.

One of the best apps out there is Pandora, which, if you haven't tried it you should. You tell it what music you like, and it streams it to your computer or cell phone, together with similar music you might like. I use that in the car instead of listening to the radio when I want to listen to music, and I am constantly finding new music that I never would have found otherwise.

19 posted on 09/10/2009 2:10:27 PM PDT by Defiant (Baby Boomers: The first generation in human history to not want to become adults, and they haven't.)
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“Excuse me, I connect it to bluetooth, wiseguy.”

I meant it in humor. Sorry it offended.


20 posted on 09/10/2009 2:15:47 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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