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And they can continue to rule from that point forward without even winning the White House. What does that even mean?

It means if they get government health care the battle is lost, they've won, period, they can lose the next 4 presidential elections and still they will have won.

LOOK FOLKS, LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR, IF A GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE BILL PASSES, EVEN ONE WITH HOKEY TRIGGERS, THE COUNTRY IS LOST, WE ARE SOCIALISTS PERIOD, IT CANNOT, AND WILL NOT EVER BE UNDONE. PROHIBITION IS NOT LIKE TAKING HEALTH CARE AWAY FROM PEOPLE, TAKING HEALTH CARE AWAY FROM PEOPLE OR TRANSITIONING BACK TO PRIVATE HEALTH CARE IS IMPOSSIBLE.

I never said repeal would be easy; just that it would be possible. We’re at a watershed in our nation’s history. Far more Americans have woke up to what confronts them than I’d have ever imagined. We can’t predict the future, but politically, I’d say the Democrats are on very precarious ground. And in the political turmoil that would ensue, I’d hate to make predictions that a repeal of government controlled healthcare is a non-starter. American politics is going to get ugly. Real ugly, and real soon. Don’t make decisions based on paradigms of the past.

LOOK FOLKS, LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR, IF A GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE BILL PASSES, EVEN ONE WITH HOKEY TRIGGERS, THE COUNTRY IS LOST, WE ARE SOCIALISTS PERIOD, IT CANNOT, AND WILL NOT EVER BE UNDONE. PROHIBITION IS NOT LIKE TAKING HEALTH CARE AWAY FROM PEOPLE, TAKING HEALTH CARE AWAY FROM PEOPLE OR TRANSITIONING BACK TO PRIVATE HEALTH CARE IS IMPOSSIBLE.

I would agree with one small exception. A revolution could nullify everything. It would probably be the only chance by that point.

As a poster earlier in the thread said, the Dems will be screaming "The dirty GOP wants to take away your healthcare so you die in the streets!!1!" from here to eternity. It's naive to believe that there will be any serious effort to remove government healthcare at that point. It will be the new third rail of politics.

Look at SSI. Everybody my age (Gen X) knows it's going to be broke soon. Hell, just about everyone in the whole country recognizes that. Did that help GWB when he floated the trial balloon of reform? Nope, he got sniped at so bad he had to stick his head back in the foxhole. SSI (along with all other big government giveaways) will have to completely implode. They are all doomed.

It means if they get government health care the battle is lost, they've won, period, they can lose the next 4 presidential elections and still they will have won.

B.S. You can count the number of democrats on ONE HAND that would agree passing health care will be worth staying out of power for the next 20 years, while the GOP runs things.

Of course, we don't want it to pass, but things CAN be stopped and turned around.

Basically what you are saying is there NO HOPE. It WILL pass, and there's NOTHING that can be done before or after.

Get a grip. Keep fighting. Don't give up.

Oh, and quit the panic mode.