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1 posted on 09/09/2009 6:59:41 AM PDT by Scythian
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Since Obamacare doesn't go into effect until 2013, there will be plenty of time for the 2010 Republican Congress to convene a death panel on it.
2 posted on 09/09/2009 7:01:28 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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Hopefully, the tea parties and townhall meetings can bring us back from the brink.


3 posted on 09/09/2009 7:01:34 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare! When "natural causes" just isn't good enough!)
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You have confused the “battle” with the “war”


4 posted on 09/09/2009 7:02:37 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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RE :” If I was Obama, and working for the other team, then that is exactly what I would do, pass a Government Health Care plan regardless of the feelings of the American people”

If you was Obama you couldnt ‘pass’ a bill, only congress can do that. Obama can only sign or veto one if it gets to him, and he wont veto.

Your prediction is not helpful, what will be in the passed bill and when will it pass?


5 posted on 09/09/2009 7:03:43 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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Why will it pass? Because Dems and many Pubbies will take the easy way out and call it compromise.

Plus it will get done before the end of this year as voters have a short memory and politicians rely on that. Many many voters will not remember how they voted a year from now ... nor will they care.

With the AMNESTY/SHAMNESY last year, the voters really got their Congressman/Senators attention with phone calls and faxes. Unique in the annals of politicians listening.

Question is ... can the voters do it again? Don’t think I’ll hold my breath to see.


6 posted on 09/09/2009 7:04:07 AM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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It’s the perfect plan

...to literally start a civil war.

7 posted on 09/09/2009 7:07:12 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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You are correct. NOTHING will stop their agenda; public be damned. Control of the country is now in the hands of the communists/socialists, and there will be no un-doing it in our lifetime, save a civil war/revolution.

For all the Town Hall protests and Glenn Beck exposures, it will still be passed, in moderated format, and then expanded continuosly over time as ALL government-run programs are.

We will fund the agenda via wealth-redistribution to buy the votes of the lackluster/non-productive/welfare class for every government takeover.

Get used to it.

9 posted on 09/09/2009 7:08:07 AM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gots to worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gots to buy no gas...Obama gonna take care o' me!")
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why spread this defeatism ?
they don't have the senate votes to pass the plan and the senate have to vote by Oct 15 to even include any reconconcilation portions . already the senate is backing away from that idea since the repub can stall until Oct 15 by demanding the entire bill be read .
11 posted on 09/09/2009 7:11:39 AM PDT by ncalburt (Read all about)
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The bills aren’t scheduled to become law until 2013. What is there to stop repeal prior to that, especially should we regain congress in 2010 or 2012, and especially should they use the nuclear option to pass it?


12 posted on 09/09/2009 7:12:07 AM PDT by bcsco (Hopey changey down the drainey...)
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if they do, I predict at least a dozen states will make Tenth Amendment claims nullifying Obamacare within their borders, setting the stage for a Constitutional showdown


22 posted on 09/09/2009 7:21:36 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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Well, you finally made it to the party. I posted this on August 8: "What If They Don't Care?"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2311280/posts

Since then, we've had about 25 or so Dems say they won't be identified with a "public option." That's not enough, even if the Republicans stand united (never a given). Further, like you I said at that time that in many ways, this was a suicide mission, that if they got their doomsday machine in place, they can always come back later for reelection.

That said, I'm much more optimistic today than I was a month ago. First, I think there is genuine rebellion in the air if they pass this over the will of the people. Pundits were saying 100 Dem seats in trouble. Well, it might be higher. I thought we'd need a 2/3 majority in each house, not just of Republicans but of conservatives, to undo this. Astoundingly, we may come close if they keep it up. The "generic" ballot has fallen for Dems by 15 or so points in a couple of months. Virtually all the polls show Dems losing or with tiny leads in extremely safe states.

So, it's certainly not a given anymore. Likely, yes, but not certain.

23 posted on 09/09/2009 7:23:31 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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knowing full well it can never be undone.

Anything can be undone. Given there is a President in the WH after 0bama with some cojones.

28 posted on 09/09/2009 7:26:54 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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I personally don’t think there will even be a vote on this in 2009.

Blue dogs can’t vote in favor of it- it will irritate their constituents. They can’t oppose it either- it would damage their campaign funding and support with the Democrat base.

The ideal situation for blue dogs would be no vote at all. Then the constituents aren’t as fired up as the crap didn’t pass anyhow- yet they can still give lip service to the unvoted on bill and retain their support from the base.


32 posted on 09/09/2009 7:32:57 AM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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There will be an ObamaCare bill. Obama and the Dems need it to save face. The only thing that is undecided is what will be in it. And with an implementation date of 2013, it is obvious that this is not about insuring the uninsured. It is about power and control.

The coming elections in NJ and VA in November could be a harbinger of things to come. If the Reps win, then it will send a strong signal to the Dems about their vulnerability. If the Dems win one or both states, then the Dems will move ahead faster with their socialist agenda. I hope the vote on ObamaCare comes after the November elections.

33 posted on 09/09/2009 7:33:34 AM PDT by kabar
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And they can continue to rule from that point forward without even winning the White House.

What does that even mean?
38 posted on 09/09/2009 7:40:29 AM PDT by GLDNGUN (PALIN/GINGRICH 2012 since 7/04/09)
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The pessimism and defeatism of some Freepers is pretty amazing sometimes. It won’t pass. The votes aren’t there for a public option in the Senate and probably aren’t there in the House, where 37 Blue-Dog Democrats are on the record against the public option.

If it does pass, the tax increases will take effect and choke off any recovery at a time of national insolvency, leading to higher unemployment. If you live in a major city, I would consider moving.

Either way, the RATS are screwed. They have no pro-growth policy prescriptions. Their agenda is the agenda of a parasite. Obeyme and the RATS failure will be epic.

I’m tired of the angst, fellow Freepers. They will fail and fail spectacularly.

Besides, we have the guns. ;-)


42 posted on 09/09/2009 7:51:52 AM PDT by Rugged Individual (Who is the world's smallest minority? I am. I am an individual.)
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Rescind all the laws the Rats pass in their ill-fated attempt to socialize the USA.

The Rats have psyched everyone out... even conservative people think you can't reverse or nullify legislation. It is another victory of the goobermint skools over the mind of the electorate (if you want to call it a 'mind'.)

The most excellent example of a big law that fell hard is the passage of the 21st Amendment.

It should be the template of what a Reform-oriented GOP will be doing in 2010.

Rescind, repeal, reform. The new slogan of the GOP.

Regards,

46 posted on 09/09/2009 7:53:01 AM PDT by caddie
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It can be undone. Don’t let the idea that it cannot be undone take hold.


50 posted on 09/09/2009 7:58:19 AM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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It has been my position all along that a bill will pass - with Rep support.
58 posted on 09/09/2009 8:08:28 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
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Why will it pass? Because they whatever bill they vote on will only make things more expensive and worse, and where has the Congress ever hesitated given a chance to do that?


62 posted on 09/09/2009 8:18:08 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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